X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:00:42 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail.glasair.org ([65.75.24.102] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTPS id 3510971 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:50:10 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.75.24.102; envelope-from=Bruce@glasair.org Received: from glasair1 by mail.glasair.org (VisNetic.MailServer.v9.1.4.1) with ESMTP id DYT04734 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:49:34 -0500 From: "Bruce Gray" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] FW: 360 in a small-tail LNC2? X-Original-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:49:42 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <9B042A40CD694E109B285AC3890E4414@glasair1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcmVPfyVGgUL3vi8SWiqYr3K+bIZeQAASoKg If I recall correctly, it's the difference between the wing and the tail angle of incidence (called decalage I believe) that will determine the stability and speed of the airplane. More decalage, more stability, = slower airplane. Bruce www.Glasair.org =20 -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of LHenney Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:36 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] FW: 360 in a small-tail LNC2? Tom, I had occasion to visit my CG limits for a son's science project. = Similarly I was assessing elevator bob weight position relative to the horizontal = tail at race speeds and comparing airspeed data. =20 In my aircraft, your premise would be wrong. That is, I have to move = the CG forward to flatten out the elevators to the horizontal tail (which also increases speed (yes it's hard to believe)). As opposed to changing CG, = one might verify horizontal tail incidence. Or more precisely all Lancair = 320/ 360 I've flown with have this same affect (bob weights a little high at least minimally). Regarding your CG comments, serious pursuit of empty CG before any additional flight would be my recommendation (imho). The phrase " way to = far forward I think" has me squirming. Larry Henney PS: In my estimation, several 320/ 360 builders took the tail plane = template and transferred it to an incidence guide. The subsequent mistake was mounting one's smart level atop the guide and setting the tail plane at = the requisite 1/4 to 1/2 degree nose down. The mistake is missing the fact = that the incidence guide off the blue print was already 1/2 degree nose down. Thus reading 0 deg on the smart level should have had the tail at the = 1/2 degree nose down angle. Many are actually 1 deg nose down. This is not = a problem. It just increases stability and costs 2-3 kts. Just my 2 cents. -----Original Message----- From: Tom McNerney [mailto:dudewanarace@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:51 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: RE:360 in a small-tail LNC2? Works great.=A0 I have a 400!=A0 I'm sure the rest of small tail group = would agree.=A0 Might have to move your center of gravity back. (I need to)=A0 = Only thing I can say is that slow flight with full flaps isn't the most comfortable, but now that I am aware of how it=A0handles, doesn't bother = me a bit.=A0 My CG is way to far forward I think, so that probably makes the = slow flight a little different. On a side note..=A0=A0 I turned around and looked at the tail the = other=A0day while indicating 200KTS.=A0 I could see the elevator counter weight, or = almost all of it.=A0 I didn't expect to see that at 200.=A0 Maybe 100..=A0 = haha=A0 This leads me to believe that I have a forward center of gravity.=A0 The big = engine would explain that.=A0 Once I get=A0the plane=A0on some scales, the only = thing I can think of is to move=A0the battery.=A0 My battery is behind the = passenger seat. Has anyone mounted a battery behind the baggage compartment?=A0 Advice? Thanks Tom www.N54SG.com=20 -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html