X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:49:36 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.12.143.101] (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 3482957 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:31:02 -0500 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.c8e.336fd2a4 (30740) for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 15:30:58 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 15:30:58 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Legacy damaged X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1234125058" X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5003 X-Spam-Flag:NO -------------------------------1234125058 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, =20 Another interesting description. What would be the difference between your= =20 experiences and Alain's? =20 Scott Krueger =20 =20 In a message dated 2/8/2009 1:24:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, =20 paulhershorin@bellsouth.net writes: I left my canopy open one day with my wife in the palne (360) and took=20 off--realized that the canopy was open--pulled the latch up and the force o= f the=20 air pushed the canopy down--I latched the capony and flew to my destination= =20 without incident. I would find it hard to believe that the canopy not bein= g=20 latched was the problem--more that likely the accident at Lakland the pilot= did=20 not fly the plane. Paul Hershorin 360 N471LA --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Matt Reeves wrote: From: Matt Reeves Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy damaged To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 7:35 PM This is the second incident that I know of with the Legacy canopy open i= n=20 flight where the plane was pretty much uncontrollable in such a condition.=20= =20 Unfortunately, the one at Sun N Fun did not turn out as good as this one. =20= =20 Sadly, I saw that plane the day before and it was a beauty. Maybe it would be good to invent a secondary latching system in case of=20 emergency or failure of the first system, or maybe even one that doesn't la= tch=20 except when the first system fails - just some ideas. Is anyone aware of similar incidents in the 320/360? I have the forward =20 hinge canopy with rear locking system but do still have the manual latches=20 that I am now considering installing at least on the sides of the canopy to= wards=20 the back - or maybe all 4, not sure. I guess the biggest concern would be AFTER a crash where you had to get out= =20 in a hurry AND the concern that the canopy would not be able to open from t= he=20 outside, unless a firefighter had an ax. Congrats on a walking away from this one! Matt --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Bill Hannahan wrote: From: Bill Hannahan Subject: [LML] Legacy damaged To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:43 AM =20 A Legacy (N939CB) was damaged last Friday at Longmont Co airport, LMO,=20 around 6 PM , almost dark. The pilot David Williams of Wonderview, escaped= =20 without injury. =20 _http://www.timescall.com/News_Story.asp?ID=3D14174_ (http://w ww.timescall.com/News_Story.asp?ID=3D14174) =20 Taking off on 29 the canopy opened. Apparently the plane made a pattern to=20 land on 29. It hit the top edge of an embankment about 150 yd SE of the =20 numbers, 29. The impact tore off the gear. It skimmed across the embankment= ,=20 through a twisted wire fence, then dropped about 4 ft onto flat ground and=20= skidded=20 to a stop about 100 yd from the initial impact point. =20 Four metal fence posts cut into the wing to the spar and it tore 300=A2 of=20 wire off the fence. The ground track was parallel to but about 100 feet so= uth=20 of the runway centerline. =20 Two feet lower and it would have been a very sudden stop against the=20 embankment. =20 Bill Hannahan _wfhannahan@yahoo.com_ (mailto:wfhannahan@yahoo.com)=20 **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy=20 steps!=20 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=3Dh= ttp://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=3D668072%26hmpgID=3D62%26b= cd=3Dfe bemailfooterNO62) -------------------------------1234125058 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Paul,
 
Another interesting description.  What would be the difference bet= ween=20 your experiences and Alain's?
 
Scott Krueger
 
In a message dated 2/8/2009 1:24:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 paulhershorin@bellsouth.net writes:
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I left my canopy open one day with my wife in the palne (360) a= nd=20 took off--realized that the canopy was open--pulled the latch up and= the=20 force of the air pushed the canopy down--I latched the capony and fl= ew=20 to my destination without incident.  I would find it hard to=20 believe that the canopy not being latched was the problem--more that= =20 likely the accident at Lakland the pilot did not fly the plane.
Paul Hershorin
360 N471LA
--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Matt Reeves=20 <mattreeves@yahoo.com> wrote:
From:=20 Matt Reeves <mattreeves@yahoo.com>
Subject: [LML] Re: Leg= acy=20 damaged
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Friday, February 6,=20 2009, 7:35 PM

This is the second incident that I know of wi= th=20 the Legacy canopy open in flight where the plane was pretty=20= much=20 uncontrollable in such a condition.   Unfortunatel= y,=20 the one at Sun N Fun did not turn out as good as this one.&n= bsp;=20 Sadly, I saw that plane the day before and it was a=20 beauty.

Maybe it would be good to invent a secondary=20 latching system in case of emergency or failure of the first= =20 system, or maybe even one that doesn't latch except when the= =20 first system fails - just some ideas.

Is anyone aware= of=20 similar incidents in the 320/360?   I have the for= ward=20 hinge canopy with rear locking system but do still have the=20 manual latches that I am now considering installing at least= on=20 the sides of the canopy towards the back - or maybe all 4, n= ot=20 sure.

I guess the biggest concern would be AFTER a cr= ash=20 where you had to get out in a hurry AND the concern that the= =20 canopy would not be able to open from the outside, unless a=20 firefighter had an ax.

Congrats on a walking away fro= m=20 this one!

Matt

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Bill=20 Hannahan <wfhannahan@yahoo.com> wrote:
From:=20 Bill Hannahan <wfhannahan@yahoo.com>
Subject: [LM= L]=20 Legacy damaged
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Thurs= day,=20 February 5, 2009, 11:43 AM

A=20 Legacy=20 (N939CB) was damaged last Friday=20= at=20 Longmont Co airport, LMO, around 6 PM , almost dark.= The=20 pilot David Williams of Wondervi= ew,=20 escaped without injury.=20

http://www.timescall.com/News_Story.a= sp?ID=3D14174=20

Taking off on 29 the canopy ope= ned.=20 Apparently the plane made a pattern to land on 29. I= t=20 hit the top edge of an embankment about 150 yd SE of= the=20 numbers, 29. The impact tore off the gear. It skimme= d=20 across the embankment, through a twisted wire fence,= =20 then dropped about 4 ft onto flat ground and skidded= to=20 a stop about 100 yd from the initial impact point.=20

Four metal fence posts cut into= the=20 wing to the spar and it tore 300=A2 of wire off the=20= fence.=20 The ground track was parallel to but about 100 feet=20 south of the runway centerline.=20

Two feet lower and it would hav= e been=20 a very sudden stop against the embankment.=20


Bill Hannahan


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