X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:23:40 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web53706.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.27] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with SMTP id 3480863 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:34:01 -0500 Received: (qmail 85798 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2009 03:34:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=HpJXHyNgiHuw338Dix105sNOcf6jqVilfWhs0S4wxd9PQ47tKqpNw/Ipa39agYILtI3m0Ev51spZew1g0BxldMWTVxKwIt29xjrfkCeUJqNOHgQ9DI19u5pwTqRhNIRBKv/mMCFEsnI1uwm2O+LYd36/xNunDu8KDCMbvbTsmAw=; X-YMail-OSG: 0Xq6tbYVM1mbW1OfrkQZhhC.TjJq.uWK1XqRPbfoJ7pMZuqx28CCIIrJr67aKCwuPy1cVQM9dasG4BZHymz9.cRF_6r2mr7knTSHUWyYfe6DA9fXZtoUvB7mhN9oiFo7KYSdPef5k9YFGWX_ea0Ai31J7Uw3jza93O7xDr0WGtDGGA4JTi2yxReITF_69wzg3ZtaOOJwI5veY8b8pFTMh8puH7O.ZbA- Received: from [68.142.243.80] by web53706.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:34:00 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 X-Original-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:34:00 -0800 (PST) From: Kyrilian Dyer Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Legacy damaged X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-479766329-1233977640=:80344" X-Original-Message-ID: <2965.80344.qm@web53706.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --0-479766329-1233977640=:80344 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Matt, I'd be curious if it was uncontrollable like you say or just extremely distracting. I know some may argue that they are one and the same, but I can see how papers flying around the cockpit, eyes watering from the wind and a slightly blocked or changed view out the front could result in a crash or poor landing while not affecting the the control authority or static or dynamic stability of the aircraft. Perhaps you know something about this accident that I don't. I'd certainly like to know more if/when the pilot is willing to share. In any case, it's great to hear that nobody was injured this time. I too saw N1177M the day before that fatal accident and spoke with the proud owner. Very sobering. Regards, - Kyrilian On Feb 6, 2009, at 7:35 PM, Matt Reeves wrote: This is the second incident that I know of with the Legacy canopy open in flight where the plane was pretty much uncontrollable in such a condition. Unfortunately, the one at Sun N Fun did not turn out as good as this one. Sadly, I saw that plane the day before and it was a beauty. Maybe it would be good to invent a secondary latching system in case of emergency or failure of the first system, or maybe even one that doesn't latch except when the first system fails - just some ideas. Is anyone aware of similar incidents in the 320/360? I have the forward hinge canopy with rear locking system but do still have the manual latches that I am now considering installing at least on the sides of the canopy towards the back - or maybe all 4, not sure. I guess the biggest concern would be AFTER a crash where you had to get out in a hurry AND the concern that the canopy would not be able to open from the outside, unless a firefighter had an ax. Congrats on a walking away from this one! Matt --0-479766329-1233977640=:80344 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I'd be curious if it was uncontrollable like you say or = just extremely distracting. =A0I know some may argue that they are one and = the same, but I can see how papers flying around the cockpit, eyes watering= from the wind and a slightly blocked or changed view out the front could r= esult in a crash or poor landing while not affecting the the control author= ity or static or dynamic stability of the aircraft. =A0Perhaps you know som= ething about this accident that I don't. =A0I'd certainly like to know more= if/when the pilot is willing to share.

In any cas= e, it's great to hear that nobody was injured this time. =A0I too saw N1177= M the day before that fatal accident and spoke with the proud owner. =A0Ver= y sobering.

=A0Regards,
- Kyrilian

On Feb 6, 2009, at 7:35 PM, Matt Reeves <mattreeves@yahoo.com> wrote:
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This is the second incident that I know of with the Legacy cano= py open in flight where the plane was pretty much uncontrollable in such a = condition.=A0=A0 Unfortunately, the one at Sun N Fun did not turn out as go= od as this one.=A0 Sadly, I saw that plane the day before and it was a beau= ty.

Maybe it would be good to invent a secondary latching system in = case of emergency or failure of the first system, or maybe even one that do= esn't latch except when the first system fails - just some ideas.

Is= anyone aware of similar incidents in the 320/360?=A0=A0 I have the forward= hinge canopy with rear locking system but do still have the manual latches= that I am now considering installing at least on the sides of the canopy t= owards the back - or maybe all 4, not sure.

I guess the biggest concern would = be AFTER a crash where you had to=0A get out in a hurry AND the concern tha= t the canopy would not be able to open from the outside, unless a firefight= er had an ax.

Congrats on a walking away from this one!

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