X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:23:40 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([69.147.92.127] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with SMTP id 3481335 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 07 Feb 2009 10:32:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 68654 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2009 15:32:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=bellsouth.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=UV1LdzrtFaUeBy470OlOUOqZ0hPJoZRP7p8Ce6KWCszulC4luPA0gkxnhCPYBzS8SeC0Z6ajLL4Qkhmlp7p4CwP6U6dxjPFrYvQxqzazJWS2+238mPVBIJx8yvT75qWnLU3Vu7ceGmywYtDSNohgxh1g7t6QJ99GNfOJZhklyC4=; X-YMail-OSG: 964XgE8VM1lfQW4RSdgKhc2iVSj5VLKQ3JcALTtH3J_F9jW_PWDca9tWMgEnfWw9MpHSRhnmTtxlPPvPIm2kC4j0GULkc_ctRK4ZZ.yivGapmikUt9lrKuLrvmN9oCczlxbvmhgM7Yulagc76MzlfK7ZpeQSRDKgZPUhE0GqYO.ohj5.CqHniwWqv7MeKaUVUfiR Received: from [74.233.220.203] by web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Feb 2009 07:32:26 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 X-Original-Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 07:32:26 -0800 (PST) From: PAUL HERSHORIN Reply-To: paulhershorin@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Legacy damaged X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-129156859-1234020746=:58788" X-Original-Message-ID: <68136.58788.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> --0-129156859-1234020746=:58788 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I left my canopy open one day with my wife in the palne (360) and took off-= -realized that the canopy was open--pulled the latch up and the force of th= e air pushed the canopy down--I latched the capony and flew to my destinati= on without incident.=A0 I would find it hard to believe that the canopy not= being latched was the problem--more that likely the accident at Lakland th= e pilot did not fly the plane. Paul Hershorin 360 N471LA --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Matt Reeves wrote: From: Matt Reeves Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy damaged To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 7:35 PM This is the second incident that I know of with the Legacy canopy open in f= light where the plane was pretty much uncontrollable in such a condition.= =A0=A0 Unfortunately, the one at Sun N Fun did not turn out as good as this= one.=A0 Sadly, I saw that plane the day before and it was a beauty. Maybe it would be good to invent a secondary latching system in case of eme= rgency or failure of the first system, or maybe even one that doesn't latch= except when the first system fails - just some ideas. Is anyone aware of similar incidents in the 320/360?=A0=A0 I have the forwa= rd hinge canopy with rear locking system but do still have the manual latch= es that I am now considering installing at least on the sides of the canopy= towards the back - or maybe all 4, not sure. I guess the biggest concern would be AFTER a crash where you had to get out= in a hurry AND the concern that the canopy would not be able to open from = the outside, unless a firefighter had an ax. Congrats on a walking away from this one! Matt --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Bill Hannahan wrote: From: Bill Hannahan Subject: [LML] Legacy damaged To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:43 AM A Legacy (N939CB) was damaged last Friday at Longmont Co airport, LMO, arou= nd 6 PM , almost dark. The pilot David Williams of Wonderview, escaped with= out injury. =A0 http://www.timescall.com/News_Story.asp?ID=3D14174=20 =A0 Taking off on 29 the canopy opened. Apparently the plane made a pattern to = land on 29. It hit the top edge of an embankment about 150 yd SE of the num= bers, 29. The impact tore off the gear. It skimmed across the embankment, t= hrough a twisted wire fence, then dropped about 4 ft onto flat ground and s= kidded to a stop about 100 yd from the initial impact point. =A0 Four metal fence posts cut into the wing to the spar and it tore 300=A2 of = wire off the fence. The ground track was parallel to but about 100 feet sou= th of the runway centerline.=20 =A0 Two feet lower and it would have been a very sudden stop against the embank= ment. Bill Hannahan wfhannahan@yahoo.com --0-129156859-1234020746=:58788 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --0-129156859-1234020746=:58788--
I left my canopy open one day with my wi= fe in the palne (360) and took off--realized that the canopy was open--pull= ed the latch up and the force of the air pushed the canopy down--I latched = the capony and flew to my destination without incident.  I would find = it hard to believe that the canopy not being latched was the problem--more = that likely the accident at Lakland the pilot did not fly the plane.
Paul Hershorin
360 N471LA
--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Matt Reeves <mattreeves@yah= oo.com> wrote:
From: Matt Reeves <mattreeves@yahoo.com>
Sub= ject: [LML] Re: Legacy damaged
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Friday= , February 6, 2009, 7:35 PM

This is the second incident that I know of with the Legacy= canopy open in flight where the plane was pretty much uncontrollable in su= ch a condition.   Unfortunately, the one at Sun N Fun did not tur= n out as good as this one.  Sadly, I saw that plane the day before and= it was a beauty.

Maybe it would be good to invent a secondary latch= ing system in case of emergency or failure of the first system, or maybe ev= en one that doesn't latch except when the first system fails - just some id= eas.

Is anyone aware of similar incidents in the 320/360?  = ; I have the forward hinge canopy with rear locking system but do still hav= e the manual latches that I am now considering installing at least on the s= ides of the canopy towards the back - or maybe all 4, not sure.

I gu= ess the biggest concern would be AFTER a crash where you had to get out in = a hurry AND the concern that the canopy would not be able to open from the outside, unless a firefighter had an ax.

Congrats on a walking = away from this one!

Matt

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Bill Hannahan= <wfhannahan@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Bill Hannahan <wfhannahan@yahoo.com>
S= ubject: [LML] Legacy damaged
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Thursday= , February 5, 2009, 11:43 AM

A Legacy (N939CB) was damaged last Friday at= Longmont Co airport, LMO, around 6 PM , almost dark. The pilot David Williams of Wondervi= ew, escaped without injury.

 

http://www.timescall.com/News_Stor= y.asp?ID=3D14174

 

Taking off on 29 the canopy opened. Apparently the pla= ne made a pattern to land on 29. It hit the top edge of an embankment about= 150 yd SE of the numbers, 29. The impact tore off the gear. It skimmed acr= oss the embankment, through a twisted wire fence, then dropped about 4 ft o= nto flat ground and skidded to a stop about 100 yd from the initial impact = point.

 

Four metal fence posts cut into the wing to the spar a= nd it tore 300=A2 of wire off the fence. The ground track was parallel to b= ut about 100 feet south of the runway centerline.

 

Two feet lower and it would have been a very sudden st= op against the embankment.


Bill Hannahan