X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:03:52 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.67] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 3475241 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:33:33 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.67; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ms+s4WX6TcCXPuzHYYXC94icpIsC/VIYlePD/jgqYLSGToQU2cccfYgQ9ST+6dQF; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.57.118.63] (helo=ccaselt3) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LUWdN-0000fx-VY for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:32:58 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <234701c98668$826ad510$b98c020a@nvidia.com> From: "Colyn Case at earthlink" X-Original-To: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Cylinder wear-to lean or not too lean X-Original-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 20:32:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da9407c9bdf2ef50504cca0a403bfee6ef339350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.57.118.63 Hi Gerard, so the short story is what blows up your engine is high peak pressures. That is worst when the flame front moves at just the right speed to be about complete when the piston reaches top dead center. You can delay that point of peak pressure by either running a little lean or very (150 dF or more) rich of peak. When you do that you are spreading the pressure curve over more degrees of crank travel. Power is the area under the curve. So you get almost as much pressure with way less peak pressure. All the bad things about leaning happen on the rich side of peak. If you can get past 50 dF lean of peak, it's all good. but as Scott said, it is really difficult to get there with a carbureted engine. If you are stuck with ROP, at high power settings you are going to have to get your first to peak cylinder way over on the rich side. There's lots more interesting detail about this which you can learn from the APS seminar which is now online. here: http://www.advancedpilot.com/store.html It is really good stuff. I went thinking I would learn about LOP but I really learned a lot of other stuff about my engine, how easy it is to destroy it, and some things I would change if I were doing a new engine installation. If you are curious you will find it well worth the money and time. If you are cheap, you can see John Deakin's articles at avweb. They are also good but not as comprehensive. Go to the following page and find Pelican's Perch articles #63 through #67. http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182146-1.html All that said, there were some bad years for valves, guides, and seats. Colyn