X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:22:08 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com ([209.85.198.224] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 3451170 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:38:45 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.198.224; envelope-from=jffisher@gmail.com Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so6147196rvb.7 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:38:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=IpT0vfTnu9C1YtLoByl0IeSfOtUoRjRB6TGCQPwetXAD0YnyP/wJm1+OoAaunNyYEv yfWKhkWJJl5Yjz1gsAwAlDcWOYpRFmJp2kBUVj9XCzxLp7jYI7aGj1yU5x3UtHX0iJHQ r5XMrhZM8B1T9E/CvO06KDD+CVh0mUe8Cgu/w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.168.16 with SMTP id v16mr447271rvo.147.1232851090766; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:38:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:38:10 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Geese ingestion From: Jeremy Fisher X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd15624537a4304614583fa --000e0cd15624537a4304614583fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you hit a flock of birds, the odds are not that small. When there are a lot of birds together, there is a significant chance of getting birds down 2 intakes, and engine failure at high power is then quite likely. A friend of mine was killed when they had a double engine failure in a military aircraft in just those circumstances. Jerry Fisher On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 5:17 AM, Michael Smith wrote: > Conspiracy theorists and armchair pilots: There is an evolving theory > the right engine was functioning (there was no credible data verifying > failure like the left one) and a functioning engine was shut down and unable > to be restarted in time. The statistical probability of a dual engine > failure due to ingestion is unbelievably small. NWA (now Delta) loses three > to four engines a year due to ingestion, considering the number of flights > the frequency is extremely small given the total number of flights and none > on the same plane. > > > > That is just what I have heard on the street relayed second hand. It will > be interesting to see what the engine data shows. > > > > > > Michael Smith > > > > --000e0cd15624537a4304614583fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If you hit a flock of birds, the odds are not that small. When t= here are a lot of birds together, there is a significant chance of getting = birds down 2 intakes, and engine failure at high power is then quite likely= . A friend of mine was killed when they had a double engine failure i= n a military aircraft in just those circumstances.

Jerry Fisher

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 5:17 AM, Michael Smith <= span dir=3D"ltr"><mdpilot982@gma= il.com> wrote:

Conspiracy theorists and armchair p= ilots: There is an evolving theory the right engine was functioning (= there was no credible data verifying failure like the left one) and a funct= ioning engine was shut down and unable to be restarted in time. The s= tatistical probability of a dual engine failure due to ingestion is unbelie= vably small. NWA (now Delta) loses three to four engines a year due to ingestion, considering the number of flights t= he frequency is extremely small given the total number of flights and none = on the same plane.

That is just what I have heard on t= he street relayed second hand. It will be interesting to see wh= at the engine data shows.

Michael Smith

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