X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:17:48 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.208] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.11) with ESMTP id 3435526 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:49:45 -0500 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.c43.438c416b (37119) for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA015-5bbc49761cc2260; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:49:42 -0500 Received: from webmail-md04 (webmail-md04.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.142]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA033-5bbc49761cc2260; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:49:38 -0500 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Geese ingestion X-Original-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:49:38 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 75.58.185.119 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB4946FB22FE64_99C_504_webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 40627-STANDARD Received: from 75.58.185.119 by webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.142) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:49:38 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CB4946FB1E39AA-99C-261@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO ----------MB_8CB4946FB22FE64_99C_504_webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes it is a small chance but it does happen, see: ?"Elmendorf [AWACS] crash kills 24; goose strike suspected (9/23/95)" Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Michael Smith To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 5:17 am Subject: [LML] Geese ingestion Conspiracy theorists and armchair pilots:? There is an evolving theory the right engine was functioning (there was no credible data verifying failure like the left one) and a functioning engine was shut down and unable to be restarted in time.? The statistical probability of a dual engine failure due to ingestion is unbelievably small.? NWA (now Delta) loses three to four engines a year due to ingestion, considering the number of flights the frequency is extremely small given the total number of flights and none on the same plane. ? That is just what I have heard on the street relayed second hand.?? It will be interesting to see what the engine data shows. ? ? Michael Smith ? ----------MB_8CB4946FB22FE64_99C_504_webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

Yes it is a small chance but it does happen, see:  "Elmendorf [AWACS] crash kills 24; goose strike suspected (9/23/95)"

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Smith <mdpilot982@gmail.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 5:17 am
Subject: [LML] Geese ingestion

Conspiracy theorists and armchair pilots:  There is an evolving theory the right engine was functioning (there was no credible data verifying failure like the left one) and a functioning engine was shut down and unable to be restarted in time.  The statistical probability of a dual engine failure due to ingestion is unbelievably small.  NWA (now Delta) loses three to four engines a year due to ingestion, considering the number of flights the frequency is extremely small given the total number of flights and none on the same plane.
 
That is just what I have heard on the street relayed second hand.   It will be interesting to see what the engine data shows.
 
 
Michael Smith
 
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