X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:41:26 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.201.200] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.11) with SMTP id 3429293 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:45:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 78677 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2009 14:45:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=jm/tEH/To6T5+gvdMZZbpeU8TJeY/Qyqwf6gS+64x3RB6JIKaouww9prCV7SrGYEoscknkwlsRzQpXl794EhAWaE55fvcZ2TR05BgKKYEWZKG/Cu8oBJBJDWUXii4ALJnKuaGlEAPBkk8PYhOllEWj6d0yQA8l0vYOQg8odokYQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 62fLt5cVM1maGO3e9Ol49XEpAVuum9l_vBvq8uPltTR6UkV2oko0jr6z8SSOZX5Mrm6W_uZoy1uc3XJn1Ujo3FgFVByEIVlQ7kl_ZvcUpNP6VnuVNvrF4oscgBiek64eUSyveTIx1c4EYnKlZnZpONbeN6FvwJXOxvepuKqLofpYOswIcvbyJBUQ7KOYQFoDPrI7yPcqct8nrLc6QdweRocrBo5fRJazKvAgZs4- Received: from [71.208.239.221] by web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:45:41 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 X-Original-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:45:41 -0800 (PST) From: Art Jensen Reply-To: flycassutts@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [LML] FW: [LML] Lancair IV bragging rights - drag reduction suggestions? X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1241873225-1232117141=:78167" X-Original-Message-ID: <181413.78167.qm@web33703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-1241873225-1232117141=:78167 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fred, =A0 We would all enjoy looking over your work.=A0 Please submit photos and expl= anations. =A0 Art --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Fred Moreno wrote: From: Fred Moreno Subject: [LML] FW: [LML] Lancair IV bragging rights - drag reduction sugges= tions? To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 7:01 AM =A0 Would you care to offer up a drag reduction prioritize list of improvem= ents =A0 you have made ? =A0 Tough question, Richard.=A0 I can not quantify a lot of the changes because= I made most of them during construction so no comparison testing was possi= ble.=A0 And I made=A0 LOT of changes. =A0 I believe that the biggest improvement is also the most difficult: a comple= te re-engineering of the engine cooling air flow pathway from modified inle= ts to plenum to patched air leaks, to adjustable cowl flaps that control th= e outlet area and exit velocity. =A0=A0Total time invested with endless att= ention to detail in this area: maybe 1000 hours.=A0 It is not recommended.= =A0 Go flying instead. =A0 But I would recommend the following place to start: leakage of cooling air = from the high pressure area above the engine.=A0 When you start looking for= leaks, they are EVERYWHERE.=A0 Some are very small but numerous, some are = large, all are parasitic.=A0 You want the air to flow between all the fins,= full path length (no short cuts), and the oil cooler, and no where else.= =20 =A0 Smiley's NASA work in the 80's showed that the stock factory installation (= a turbo Piper Aztec with 250 HP Lycoming engines) of baffles, rubber and sh= eet metal typically leaked 50% of the required cooling flow.=A0 That is, if= you need 100% to cool the engine, 150% was going into the inlets and out t= he outlets, pure waste in momentum drag.=A0=20 =A0 Most installations I have seen look OK on first blush, but with very close = inspection, virtually all leak like sieves.=A0 It takes extreme attention t= o detail and a lot of patience to minimize the leakage.=A0 But the benefits= of fixing are substantial: reduced drag, and much cooler operating tempera= tures.=A0=20 =A0 When racing with Brent Regan and in studying many other aircraft and collec= ting anecdotal data from many, I concluded that a well built, smooth, tight= fitting Lancair IV had little room for improvement behind the firewall, so= most of my work was in front of it.=A0=20 =A0 If there is enough interest, I will develop a picture catalog of all the dr= ag reduction modifications I have made together with some descriptive words= so other builders can pick and choose what they want to use.=A0 Some chang= es are easy.=A0 Some are very time consuming.=A0 And because I started with= many of the mods in place, I can not separate out the individual benefits.= =A0 But if enough people are interested, I will compile a catalog and let M= arv put it into the archives.=20 =A0 Fred Moreno =A0 -----Original Message----- From: marv@lancair.net [mailto:marv@lancair.net]=20 Sent: Friday, 16 January 2009 3:34 AM To: lml Subject: Re: [LML] Lancair IV bragging rights =A0 Posted for "Richard T. Schaefer" : =A0 =A0 Sounds great . =A0=20 =A0 Would you care to offer up a drag reduction prioritize list of improvem= ents =A0 you have made ? =A0=20 =A0=20 > Now that summer is well established Down Under, I was able to conduct som= e > more flight testing.=A0 The air is smooth, winds gentle, and the bugs hav= e=0A=0A=0A --0-1241873225-1232117141=:78167 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Fred,
 
We would all enjoy looking over your work.  Please submit photos and explanations.
 
Art

--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Fred Moreno <fredmoreno@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
From: Fred Moreno <fredmoreno@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [LML] FW: [LML] Lancair IV bragging rights - drag reduction suggestions?
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 7:01 AM

  Would you care to offer up a drag reduction prioritize list of improvements

  you have made ?

 

Tough question, Richard.  I can not quantify a lot of the changes because I made most of them during construction so no comparison testing was possible.  And I made  LOT of changes.

 

I believe that the biggest improvement is also the most difficult: a complete re-engineering of the engine cooling air flow pathway from modified inlets to plenum to patched air leaks, to adjustable cowl flaps that control the outlet area and exit velocity.   Total time invested with endless attention to detail in this area: maybe 1000 hours.  It is not recommended.  Go flying instead.

 

But I would recommend the following place to start: leakage of cooling air from the high pressure area above the engine.  When you start looking for leaks, they are EVERYWHERE.  Some are very small but numerous, some are large, all are parasitic.  You want the air to flow between all the fins, full path length (no short cuts), and the oil cooler, and no where else.

 

Smiley's NASA work in the 80's showed that the stock factory installation (a turbo Piper Aztec with 250 HP Lycoming engines) of baffles, rubber and sheet metal typically leaked 50% of the required cooling flow.  That is, if you need 100% to cool the engine, 150% was going into the inlets and out the outlets, pure waste in momentum drag. 

 

Most installations I have seen look OK on first blush, but with very close inspection, virtually all leak like sieves.  It takes extreme attention to detail and a lot of patience to minimize the leakage.  But the benefits of fixing are substantial: reduced drag, and much cooler operating temperatures. 

 

When racing with Brent Regan and in studying many other aircraft and collecting anecdotal data from many, I concluded that a well built, smooth, tight fitting Lancair IV had little room for improvement behind the firewall, so most of my work was in front of it. 

 

If there is enough interest, I will develop a picture catalog of all the drag reduction modifications I have made together with some descriptive words so other builders can pick and choose what they want to use.  Some changes are easy.  Some are very time consuming.  And because I started with many of the mods in place, I can not separate out the individual benefits.  But if enough people are interested, I will compile a catalog and let Marv put it into the archives.

 

Fred Moreno

 

-----Original Message-----
From: marv@lancair.net [mailto:marv@lancair.net]
Sent: Friday, 16 January 2009 3:34 AM
To: lml
Subject: Re: [LML] Lancair IV bragging rights

 

Posted for "Richard T. Schaefer" <schaefer@rts-services.com>:

 

  Sounds great .

 

  Would you care to offer up a drag reduction prioritize list of improvements

  you have made ?

 

 

> Now that summer is well established Down Under, I was able to conduct some

> more flight testing.  The air is smooth, winds gentle, and the bugs have


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