X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:59:49 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from iron9.midco.net ([24.220.0.97] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3357971 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:52:09 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.220.0.97; envelope-from=zoelt@sio.midco.net X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEvAAs+Q0kY3KiHPGdsb2JhbACCQyyGE4EAiEh9AQEBATUBu3GCfQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,216,1228111200"; d="scan'208,217";a="250133143" Received: from host-135-168-220-24.midco.net (HELO YOUR105B4D3942) ([24.220.168.135]) by out.vip.midco.net with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 06:51:32 -0600 From: X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Cabin heat LNC4 X-Original-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 06:49:59 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: <004f01c95d21$4eec4220$6401a8c0@YOUR105B4D3942> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01C95CEF.0451D220" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclcBIuweHJLVMFHSYiDroRwWnI8EwBHDQpA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000737-2, 04/30/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C95CEF.0451D220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are there Sonics in the Cold side of the intercooler? I don't think so.. Does the longer length of the hoses and the 3rd intercooler reduce flow/pressure ? My A/P who used to work with propane/ natural gas says so. Thanks, Tim LNC4P dN524JG p.s. Just flew first coupled GPS/True-Trak approach-have been trying for a year. _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Craig Berland Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:51 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Cabin heat LNC4 I have a question on the installation of the sonic nozzles. Barry's picture (attached) is correct if you are wanting to make flow directly proportional to pressure. However, I just called Lancair last week and they believe the nozzles should be installed in just the opposite direction. My guess is that it probably doesn't matter but I was going to install mine as per Lancair's recommendation. Ironically the only reason I can come up with is.."it's easier". Does anybody know how Piper does it on the Malibu? Craig Berland I have a major increase in air flow , pressure(relieved by relief valve), and noise when I select cabin heat or defrost air. Should this air be reduced by venturis in warm-side pressure hoses from the intercooler? Thanks, Tim LNC4, N524JG Tim, in working over the intercoolers and baffling system on my Lancair prepared TSIO-550 I found that the sonic venturis that were on the "hot" side of the intercoolers were installed backwards. The sonic venturi should be found attached to a nipple that comes off the input side (aft side) of the intercooler. It would be possible to either leave these out or turn them around backwards. I don't know the effect of turning them around. I never flew with it installed backwards. Here are a couple of images of the sonic venturi. Some of the sonic venturis have an arrow scratched onto them to show flow direction. The image here has the sonic venturi installed BACKWARDS. I have also attached a drawing to show the correct orientation for flow. In order to know which way they go, you must either have an arrow on the venturi or take them off entirely to visualize the internal contours to get the orientation right. Barry Knotts LIV-P, Conti TSIO-550 ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C95CEF.0451D220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Are there Sonics in the Cold side = of the intercooler?  I don’t think so..  Does the longer length = of the hoses and the 3rd intercooler reduce flow/pressure = ?

My A/P who used to work with = propane/ natural gas says so.

Thanks,

=

Tim

LNC4P = dN524JG

p.s. Just flew first coupled = GPS/True-Trak approach—have been trying for a year.

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Craig Berland
Sent: Thursday, December = 11, 2008 8:51 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Cabin = heat LNC4

 

I have a = question on the installation of the sonic nozzles.  Barry’s picture = (attached) is correct if you are wanting to make flow directly proportional to pressure.  However, I just called Lancair last week and they = believe the nozzles should be installed in just the opposite direction.  My = guess is that it probably doesn’t matter but I was going to install mine as = per Lancair’s recommendation.  Ironically the only reason I can = come up with is….”it’s easier”.  Does anybody know = how Piper does it on the Malibu?

Craig = Berland

I have a major increase in air flow , pressure(relieved by relief valve), and noise when I select cabin heat = or defrost air.  Should this air be reduced by venturis in warm-side = pressure hoses from the intercooler? 

Thanks,

Tim

LNC4,  = N524JG

Tim, in = working over the intercoolers and baffling system on my Lancair prepared TSIO-550 I found = that the sonic venturis that were on the "hot" side of the = intercoolers were installed backwards.  The sonic venturi should be found = attached to a nipple that comes off the input side (aft side) of the = intercooler.  It would be possible to either leave these out or turn them around backwards.  I don't know the effect of turning them around.  I = never flew with it installed backwards.  Here are a couple of images of = the sonic venturi.  Some of the sonic venturis have an arrow scratched = onto them to show flow direction.  The image here has the sonic venturi installed BACKWARDS. I have also attached a drawing to show the correct orientation for flow.  In order to know which way they go, you must = either have an arrow on the venturi or take them off entirely to visualize the internal contours to get the orientation right.

Barry Knotts
LIV-P, Conti TSIO-550

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