X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:08:25 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.12.143.99] (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3313893 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:44:56 -0500 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.cef.47d392c1 (37133) for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.150]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA027-5c774929eaf01d7; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:44:51 -0500 Received: from WEBMAIL-DY15 (webmail-dy15.sim.aol.com [205.188.185.211]) by smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB036-5c774929eaf01d7; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:44:48 -0500 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Any liability lawsuits? X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:44:48 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 24.158.20.198 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB1BDC9B361DDB_12E4_1EFE_WEBMAIL-DY15.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 24.158.20.198 by WEBMAIL-DY15.sysops.aol.com (205.188.185.211) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:44:48 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CB1BDC9B315925-12E4-F21@WEBMAIL-DY15.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO ----------MB_8CB1BDC9B361DDB_12E4_1EFE_WEBMAIL-DY15.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The clock starts on the day the part or aircraft is manufactured. In this ca= se the day the aircraft received its airworthiness certificate. There is no=20= resetting the clock on the aircraft. The question is "how old is the aircraf= t?" Just because it is over 18 years old is not a bar to being sued...just a= pretty high hurdle. Have experimental aircraft builders been sued? Answer--= yes. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Craig Berland To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:15 am Subject: [LML] Any liability lawsuits? Bob, how many times can the =E2=80=9Cclock=E2=80=9D be reset.=C2=A0 Does tha= t happen each time the plane is sold?=C2=A0 Specifically, if I move my plane= into an LLC, and sell the plane in 10 years, does all liability go away?= =C2=A0 The issue is this=E2=80=A6.while you own the plane, hopefully you hav= e liability coverage (at least risk sharing).=C2=A0 Once you sell the plane,= you don=E2=80=99t.=C2=A0 I do agree, the risk of being sued once you have s= old the plane is pretty small.=C2=A0 However, I also believe the risk goes u= p with your net worth. Craig Berland =C2=A0 "so does that mean if you convey the plane to an LLC that you own that that=20= starts the clock? Yes, that starts the clock but you are still in control of the LLC and just=20= because the LLC owns the plane does not relieve you of any liability. You st= ill are the pilot that runs that plane into the ground, building, etc.=C2= =A0 Of course if you are dead, what do you20care about liability.=C2=A0 Your= wife would have a concern. Bob Smiley =C2=A0 ----------MB_8CB1BDC9B361DDB_12E4_1EFE_WEBMAIL-DY15.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" The clock starts on the day the part or aircraft is manufactured. In this ca= se the day the aircraft received its airworthiness certificate. There is no=20= resetting the clock on the aircraft. The question is "how old is the aircraf= t?" Just because it is over 18 years old is not a bar to being sued...just a= pretty high hurdle. Have experimental aircraft builders been sued? Answer--= yes.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Berland <cberland@systems3.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:15 am
Subject: [LML] Any liability lawsuits?

Bob, how many times ca= n the =E2=80=9Cclock=E2=80=9D be reset.  Does that happen each time the= plane is sold?  Specifically, if I move my plane into an LLC, and sell= the plane in 10 years, does all liability go away?  The issue is this= =E2=80=A6.while you own the plane, hopefully you have liability coverage (at= least risk sharing).  Once you sell the plane, you don=E2=80=99t. = ; I do agree, the risk of being sued once you have sold the plane is pretty=20= small.  However, I also believe the risk goes up with your net worth.
Craig Berland
 
"so does that mean if you convey the plane to an LLC that you=20= own that that starts the clock?
Yes, that starts the clock but you are still in control of the= LLC and just because the LLC owns the plane does not relieve you of any lia= bility. You still are the pilot that runs that plane into the ground, building, etc.  Of course if you= are dead, what do you care about liability.  Your wife would have a co= ncern.
Bob Smiley
 


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