X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:01:17 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.69] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3301719 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:07:17 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.69; envelope-from=panelmaker@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=UjIFX/gQM9utCV+/JZTamB0B/GWRsVnLFd2ujvt0PO7gWdVpXQWGiwtGb+7mn6XY; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:thread-index:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.173.71.217] (helo=DELL8300) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L1ObY-0007US-6t for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:06:40 -0500 From: "Jim Nordin" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: LML X-Original-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:06:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005C_01C94712.3DC342C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 thread-index: AclGtk+WpwiVtTqZRy+MdyMiLNpsEQAi/hXg In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: bdfc62829fd2a80cc8ad50643b1069f8239a348a220c2609c94bc8611a30e774c4d34af98fb43c20548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.173.71.217 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C94712.3DC342C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm gonna use "ours", "yours" and "mine" to mean all of the LML listers so don't anyone take offense to this note. Very interesting supposition regarding "one of only a few" still building. I thought there were thousands still building. Where are those folks going for help . Lancair? Not getting any? Airframe specific websites? If there aren't thousands still building, Lancair is in big trouble. BTW . how many of the Evolutions have been sold/produced? The LML has been the greatest for getting ideas bounced around. I use it and yes am still building. It's my hobby . I have other airplanes to fly. There have been times when folks use the LML as a soapbox or worse an attack mechanism when they don't agree with someone on a given issue. Strut their behind at someone for all to see. Flip someone off in prose. Those folks can be banned. I don't think the LML is a forum for attack or acerbic dialog. If you don't agree with someone's comments, use private email to "communicate" those differences. Everybody has different ideas about how things should / could be done. Many times your / my idea is not the best, but it's ours! Throw it out there and sometimes learn why it isn't the best . or is a revolutionary idea that should be rewarded with recognition . but don't get defensive. Keep your cool and realize other people's ideas are as valid as yours/mine/ours. Unfortunately, there are many today that don't participate because of the likelihood of being attacked . "flame suit on" and the like. I'd really like to see that go away. You see . my first sentence tries to keep flamethrowers placated. Too bad. Jim _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of marv@lancair.net Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 6:09 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: LML Posted for "Greenbacks, UnLtd." : I may be confused about the original purpose and intent of LML but then again, I'm confused by many things of late. As I recall, LML came into existence in order to be a sort of clearinghouse for builders to share building tips, techniques, problem solving, etc... and as an extension/supplement to factory technical support. LML seems to me to be drifting wide of this mark and in danger of losing its relevance, to me anyway. Perhaps I'm one of only a few still building and as such, recent posts about FAA crud are of little importance to me. Angier Ames N4ZQ N3ZQ [Good points, Angier.... I've always tried to keep a very light hand on the LML, allowing the community to pretty much police itself. As a more-or-less open venue, its focus tends to shift with the times. It was a much different community back when I started the LML, one that was pretty much dominated by builders. Over the years much of that building has resulted in completed aircraft and a change of focus for those folks who have moved from building to flying and maintaining. This doesn't mean that we still don't have meaningful discussions about the former, just that they tend to be fewer and further between. That being said, if you (and I mean that collectively here) would prefer that I start filtering the more "peripheral" discussions from the LML, I'd be happy to do so. My concern is mostly about where to draw the line. Let me think about it over the weekend, and if anyone else would like to chime in with suggestions or solutions to perceived problems, please feel free to contact me offline at my private email address, just so we don't clog the LML with a bunch of management issues that are better left in the back room. Thanks to everyone for your continued support and participation... without you the LML would be an empty email box. ] -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C94712.3DC342C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’m gonna use = “ours”, “yours” and “mine” to mean all of the LML listers so don’t = anyone take offense to this note.

Very interesting supposition = regarding “one of only a few” still building. I thought there were thousands = still building. Where are those folks going for help … Lancair? Not = getting any? Airframe specific websites? If there aren’t thousands still = building, Lancair is in big trouble. BTW … how many of the Evolutions have = been sold/produced?

The LML has been the greatest for = getting ideas bounced around. I use it and yes am still building. It’s my = hobby … I have other airplanes to fly.

There have been times when folks use = the LML as a soapbox or worse an attack mechanism when they don’t = agree with someone on a given issue. Strut their behind at someone for all to see. = Flip someone off in prose. Those folks can be banned. I don’t think the = LML is a forum for attack or acerbic dialog. If you don’t agree with = someone’s comments, use private email to “communicate” those = differences.

Everybody has different ideas about = how things should / could be done. Many times your / my idea is not the = best, but it’s ours! Throw it out there and sometimes learn why it = isn’t the best … or is a revolutionary idea that should be rewarded with recognition … but don’t get defensive. Keep your cool and = realize other people’s ideas are as valid as yours/mine/ours. = Unfortunately, there are many today that don’t participate because of the = likelihood of being attacked … “flame suit on” and the like. = I’d really like to see that go away. You see … my first sentence tries = to keep flamethrowers placated. Too bad.

Jim

 

From: = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of marv@lancair.net
Sent: Friday, November = 14, 2008 6:09 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = LML

 

Posted for = "Greenbacks, UnLtd." <N4ZQ@comcast.net>:

 I may be confused about the original purpose and intent of LML but  then
again, I'm confused by many things of late.
 As I recall, LML came into existence in order to be a sort of  clearinghouse
for builders to share building tips, techniques, = problem  solving, etc... and
as an extension/supplement to factory technical  support.
 
 LML seems to me to be drifting wide of this mark and in danger of  losing its
relevance, to me anyway. Perhaps I'm one of only a few  still building and as
such, recent posts about FAA crud are of little  importance to = me.
 
 Angier Ames
 N4ZQ
 N3ZQ


[Good points, Angier.... I've always tried to keep a very light hand on = the LML, allowing the community to pretty much police itself.  As a more-or-less open venue, its focus tends to shift with the times.  = It was a much different community back when I started the LML, one that was = pretty much dominated by builders.  Over the years much of that building = has resulted in completed aircraft and a change of focus for those folks who have = moved from building to flying and maintaining.  This doesn't mean that we = still don't have meaningful discussions about the former, just that they tend to be = fewer and further between.  That being said, if you (and I mean that collectively here) would prefer that I start filtering the more "peripheral" discussions from the LML, I'd be happy to do = so.  My concern is mostly about where to draw the line.  Let me think = about it over the weekend, and if anyone else would like to chime in with = suggestions or solutions to perceived problems, please feel free to contact me offline = at my private email address, just so we don't clog the LML with a bunch of = management issues that are better left in the back room.  Thanks to everyone = for your continued support and participation... without you the LML would be an = empty email box.  <Marv>   ]

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