X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:01:16 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.173] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3301794 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:29:07 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.246.173; envelope-from=joscales98@hotmail.com Received: from BAY124-DS5 ([207.46.11.160]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:28:29 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [75.81.226.134] X-Originating-Email: [joscales98@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: joscales98@hotmail.com From: "Jim Scales" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LML X-Original-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:28:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C9471D.AD39F490" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.60.0053.2200 In-Reply-To: Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:28:33 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2008 18:28:29.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[F52B1680:01C9474F] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C9471D.AD39F490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been a participant of the LML for a long time. Marv has done a = great job of enhancing the Lancair experience for a lot of people. I = have been flying my ES for about 9 years now and have utilized many = ideas and trouble shot many issues that were discussed on the list. I sometimes think the list is incorporating some really strange subjects = but, when really looking at the postings, I realize that by far the = majority of things that are on the list pertain to building, = maintaining, repairing, modifying, inspecting, insuring, training and = flying Lancairs. I don't have a problem with the variety of subjects. I tend to learn something from everyone regardless of their perspective = or the subject. I would not recommend filtering the input any more than = is now being done. If there are those who don't ask questions and expect their un-asked = questions to be covered somewhere in the daily discussions then they are = going to be waiting for a long time. If someone asks a question and = doesn't get a reply in a reasonable time then that person should realize = that not all listers are present all the time. Just ask the question = again. Eventually someone will provide some input. I have had to post = the same question multiple times in the past before getting feedback. = Requires a little patience sometimes. No biggie. The list has been a big help to me and continues to be a place I enjoy. = Keep the discussions coming. Like Earl says, my delete button works = very well and I don't have to read things that don't interest me. I will air my one pet peeve regarding the list before I close. It is = frustrating when someone posts and changes the subject of the thread = without changing the subject line for the posting. When this happens = the thread changes direction and can become entirely different from the = subject that is listed in the title. Fine to change direction but give = the ones who are expecting the content to match the subject title some = consideration. Have fun, Jim Scales (Earl, how close would you consider other Lancair owners have to be for = you to consider them "close" to you?) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Earl Schroeder=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 9:06 AM Subject: [LML] Re: LML Bryan, Angier, Marv, I doubt if many are actually building kits today. Having purchased my = kit in 1987 and flying today, I still read each post and learn from time = to time. I know of no Lancair builders within several hundred miles and = I am the only owner in this area also. There are several RV kits in = progress and several flying. I would be interested in how often a reply it sent to a builder = privately. I know I send most privately to avoid the wrath of some here = on LML. As age increases, my skin thins... Marv, I really don't mind seeing the many discussion paths. My delete = key works for me. I do appreciate you for taking the time to support = this forum! Earl -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Bryan Wullner To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:36:20 AM Subject: [LML] Re: LML Angier,=20 I agree. It seems like there isn't much happening on the LML as far = build discussions. You can still get answers to some but really seems = like not much activity for, what I thought to be a fairly large amount = of aircraft kits out there.=20 Anyone know how many Lancair kits have been sold since the inception?=20 Lancair builders and owners are either:=20 1. Going extinct or:=20 2. People who fly and build Lancairs don't care to have any web = presence. Which will eventually lead Lancair to item 1 in this age.. Soon its going to be a world where experiment airplane is defined as = an RV. Thats my Wahhh wahhh wahh viewpoint of the day. Bryan =20 On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:08 PM, = > wrote: Posted for "Greenbacks, UnLtd." = >: I may be confused about the original purpose and intent of LML but = then=20 again, I'm confused by many things of late. As I recall, LML came into existence in order to be a sort of = clearinghouse=20 for builders to share building tips, techniques, problem solving, = etc... and=20 as an extension/supplement to factory technical support. =20 LML seems to me to be drifting wide of this mark and in danger of = losing its=20 relevance, to me anyway. Perhaps I'm one of only a few still = building and as=20 such, recent posts about FAA crud are of little importance to me. =20 Angier Ames N4ZQ N3ZQ [Good points, Angier.... I've always tried to keep a very light hand = on the LML, allowing the community to pretty much police itself. As a = more-or-less open venue, its focus tends to shift with the times. It = was a much different community back when I started the LML, one that was = pretty much dominated by builders. Over the years much of that building = has resulted in completed aircraft and a change of focus for those folks = who have moved from building to flying and maintaining. This doesn't = mean that we still don't have meaningful discussions about the former, = just that they tend to be fewer and further between. That being said, = if you (and I mean that collectively here) would prefer that I start = filtering the more "peripheral" discussions from the LML, I'd be happy = to do so. My concern is mostly about where to draw the line. Let me = think about it over the weekend, and if anyone else would like to chime = in with suggestions or solutions to perceived problems, please feel free = to contact me offline at my private email address, just so we don't clog = the LML with a bunch of management issues that are better left in the = back room. Thanks to everyone for your continued support and = participation... without you the LML would be an empty email box. = ] --For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C9471D.AD39F490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been a participant of the LML for a long time.  Marv = has done a=20 great job of enhancing the Lancair experience for a lot of people.  = I have=20 been flying my ES for about 9 years now and have utilized many = ideas=20 and trouble shot many issues that were discussed on the list.
 
I sometimes think the list is incorporating some really strange = subjects=20 but, when really looking at the postings, I realize that by far the = majority of=20 things that are on the list pertain to building, maintaining, repairing, = modifying, inspecting, insuring, training and flying Lancairs.  I = don=92t=20 have a problem with the variety of subjects.
 
I tend to learn something from everyone regardless of their = perspective or=20 the subject.  I would not recommend filtering the input any more = than is=20 now being done.
 
If there are those who don=92t ask questions and expect their = un-asked=20 questions to be covered somewhere in the daily discussions then they are = going=20 to be waiting for a long time.  If someone asks a question and = doesn=92t get=20 a reply in a reasonable time then that person should realize that not = all=20 listers are present all the time.  Just ask the question = again. =20 Eventually someone will provide some input.  I have had to post the = same=20 question multiple times in the past before getting feedback.  = Requires a=20 little patience sometimes.  No biggie.
 
The list has been a big help to me and continues to be a place I=20 enjoy.  Keep the discussions coming.  Like Earl says, my = delete button=20 works very well and I don=92t have to read things that don=92t interest = me.
 
I will air my one pet peeve regarding the list before I=20 close.  It is frustrating when someone posts and changes the = subject of the=20 thread without changing the subject line for the posting.  When = this=20 happens the thread changes direction and can become entirely different = from the=20 subject that is listed in the title.  Fine to change direction but = give the=20 ones who are expecting the content to match the subject title some=20 consideration.
 
Have fun,
 
Jim Scales
 
(Earl, how close would you consider other Lancair owners have to be = for you=20 to consider them "close" to you?)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Earl Schroeder
Sent: Saturday, November 15, = 2008 9:06=20 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: LML

Bryan, Angier, Marv,
I doubt if many are actually building = kits=20 today.  Having purchased my kit in 1987 and flying today, I still = read=20 each post and learn from time to time.  I know of no Lancair = builders=20 within several hundred miles and I am the only owner in this area = also. =20 There are several RV kits in progress and several flying.

I = would be=20 interested in how often a reply it sent to a builder privately.  = I know I=20 send most privately to avoid the wrath of some here on LML.  As = age=20 increases, my skin thins...

Marv, I really don't mind seeing = the many=20 discussion paths.  My delete key works for me.  I do = appreciate you=20 for taking the time to support this forum!  Earl

From: Bryan Wullner=20 <vonjet@gmail.com>
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Sent:=20 Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:36:20 AM
Subject: [LML] Re:=20 LML

Angier,=20

I agree.  It seems like there isn't much happening on the = LML as far=20 build discussions.  You can still get answers to some but really = seems=20 like not much activity for, what I thought to be a fairly large amount = of=20 aircraft kits out there. 
Anyone know how many Lancair kits have been sold since the=20 inception? 
Lancair builders and owners are either: 
1. Going extinct or: 
2. People who fly and build Lancairs don't care to have any web = presence.=20 Which will eventually lead Lancair to item 1 in this age..
Soon its going to be a world where experiment airplane is defined = as an=20 RV.
Thats my Wahhh wahhh wahh viewpoint of the day.
Bryan
  



On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:08 PM, <marv@lancair.net>=20 wrote:
Posted=20 for "Greenbacks, UnLtd." <N4ZQ@comcast.net>:

&nbs= p;I=20 may be confused about the original purpose and intent of LML=20 but  then
again, I'm confused by many things of=20 late.
 As I recall, LML came into existence in order to be a = sort=20 of  clearinghouse
for builders to share building tips, = techniques, problem  solving, etc... and
as an=20 extension/supplement to factory=20 technical  support.
 
 LML seems to me to = be=20 drifting wide of this mark and in danger of  losing its=20
relevance, to me anyway. Perhaps I'm one of only a = few  still=20 building and as
such, recent posts about FAA crud are of=20 little  importance to me.
 
 Angier=20 Ames
 N4ZQ
 N3ZQ


[Good points, Angier.... = I've=20 always tried to keep a very light hand on the LML, allowing the = community to=20 pretty much police itself.  As a more-or-less open venue, its = focus=20 tends to shift with the times.  It was a much different = community back=20 when I started the LML, one that was pretty much dominated by=20 builders.  Over the years much of that building has resulted in = completed aircraft and a change of focus for those folks who have = moved from=20 building to flying and maintaining.  This doesn't mean that we = still=20 don't have meaningful discussions about the former, just that they = tend to=20 be fewer and further between.  That being said, if you (and I = mean that=20 collectively here) would prefer that I start filtering the more = "peripheral"=20 discussions from the LML, I'd be happy to do so.  My concern is = mostly=20 about where to draw the line.  Let me think about it over the = weekend,=20 and if anyone else would like to chime in with suggestions or = solutions to=20 perceived problems, please feel free to contact me offline at my = private=20 email address, just so we don't clog the LML with a bunch of = management=20 issues that are better left in the back room.  Thanks to = everyone for=20 your continued support and participation... without you the LML = would be an=20 empty email box.  <Marv>   ]

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