X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:01:16 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from blu0-omc3-s35.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.110] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3302048 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:39:50 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.116.110; envelope-from=scottekeighan@sympatico.ca Received: from BLU0-SMTP17 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:39:06 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [65.92.92.137] X-Originating-Email: [scottekeighan@sympatico.ca] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: scottekeighan@sympatico.ca Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([65.92.92.137]) by BLU0-SMTP17.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:39:06 -0800 Reply-To: "Scott Keighan" From: "Scott Keighan" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LML X-Original-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:38:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C94740.9BA30140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2008 21:39:06.0233 (UTC) FILETIME=[95D04690:01C9476A] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C94740.9BA30140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all, I am the wife of a Lancair builder and have been reading the Forum for = many years while my husband has been building and now flying. As an = outsider who knows a little something about the process of building and = a little experience about flying, my conclusion is there are a handfull = of you guys out there that must have nothing better to do then sit on = the computer all day long and wait for someone to ask a question or make = a remark. Then the group of you decide if it is a valid question or a = stupid question. Then either way you pick it apart and discuss it for = days to come. Heaven forbid we lose one of our own, in which case all = the condolence's go out at first then you proceed to openly discuss the = accident and possible causes. Have respect for the family and all the = people hurt by the loss of that person. The LML forum is not the place = to discuss what might have happened. I know you will probably say = someone may learn from it. So maybe it should be discussed amoung = yourselves through private emails. As a widow I would not want to see = over and over articales and reports as to the final minutes of my = husbands life or know that it is being rehashed everyday for weeks to = come by the group of guys that are suppose to share the love of the = hobby that my husband loved so much. Much of the discussions are = speculations and draw hard feelings and fire up temperments which turn = newcomers to the LML forum off. It also does not do justice to the = family of lancair builders and to the company. =20 My suggestion would be open a new forum for "chatter" for all you guys = out there that feel you have to evaluate and discuss all the theroies of = flight. Leave the forum for builders asking questions and needing = assistance. No question is stupid and no one would have to worry about = being made to feel stupid. For those guys that are building when a = problem hits they need answers now. Sure they can look it up in the = archives because that question has been answered many times before = but..... remember when all of you were building all you wanted to do was = get it flying.=20 An easy search for one of you geniuses may not be so easy for the rest = of the guys. Most of you have had and solved the problems builders are having. Why not give the answer, = instead of criticizing. It does not matter how long a builder is building. It's about the love = of flying that you are all forgetting. Glema Keighan Built and flown both a Velocity and Lancair 4 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sky2high@aol.com=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:06 AM Subject: [LML] Re: LML Angier and Bryan, First of all, Angier has been building for ever and has gotten every = question answered thru the LML over all these years. Perhaps the = answers to many builder questions already exist in the archives, = available thru a simple search. As has been noted recently, we may be = losing Lancairians that have reached the flying state far too frequently = - thus the interest in resolving the issues concerning flight. I = sometimes get direct questions from builders and flyers that seek = greater detail after an item of interest has been located in the LML = archives. It has always been questions that drive the LML although some = of us tinkerers contribute the results of "flight experiments" to the = LML. Secondly, certain Lancair models have type specific web sites. Bryan, as the starter of a web based forum = (http://www.lancairforce.com/), you are probably aware that Lancair = folks are generally not "chatty" types. There has been several attempts = at forums and some just don't seem to have the activity that is seen = elsewhere. Please keep in mind that the LML is question driven - no questions, no = traffic. Uh, Angier, how are your projects coming? Grayhawk AKA Scott Krueger In a message dated 11/15/2008 6:36:35 A.M. 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To all,
 
I am the wife of a Lancair builder and have been reading the Forum = for many=20 years while my husband has been building and now flying.  As an = outsider=20 who knows a little something about the process of building and a little=20 experience about flying, my conclusion is there are a handfull of = you=20 guys out there that must have nothing better to do then sit on the = computer=20 all day long and wait for someone to ask a question = or make a=20 remark.  Then the group of you decide if it is a valid question or = a stupid=20 question. Then either way you pick it apart and discuss it for days to=20 come.  Heaven forbid we lose one of our own, in which = case all=20 the condolence's go out at first then you proceed to openly discuss the = accident=20 and possible causes.  Have respect for the family and all the = people=20 hurt by the loss of that person.  The LML forum is not the = place to=20 discuss what might have happened.  I know you will probably say = someone may=20 learn from it. So maybe it should be discussed  amoung yourselves = through=20 private emails.  As a widow I would not want to see over and = over=20 articales and reports as to the final minutes of my husbands life or = know that=20 it is being rehashed everyday for weeks to come by the group of = guys that=20 are suppose to share the love of the hobby that my husband loved so = much. =20 Much of the discussions are speculations and draw hard feelings and fire = up=20 temperments which turn newcomers to the LML = forum off. =20 It also does not do justice to the family of lancair builders and to the = company. 
 
My suggestion would be open a new forum for "chatter" for all = you guys=20 out there that feel you have to evaluate and discuss all the = theroies of=20 flight.  Leave the forum for builders asking questions and needing=20 assistance.  No question is stupid and no one would have to = worry=20 about being made to feel stupid.  For those guys that are = building=20 when a problem hits they need answers now. Sure they can look it up in = the=20 archives because that question has been answered many times before = but.....=20 remember when all of you were building all you wanted to do was get it=20 flying. 
An easy search for one of you geniuses may not be so easy for the = rest of=20 the guys.  Most of you have had and
solved the problems builders are having.  Why not give the = answer,=20 instead of criticizing.
 
It does not matter how long a builder is building.  It's about = the=20 love of flying that you are all forgetting.
 
Glema Keighan
Built and flown both a Velocity and Lancair 4
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sky2high@aol.com=20
Sent: Saturday, November 15, = 2008 10:06=20 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: LML

Angier and Bryan,
 
First of all, Angier has been building for ever and has = gotten=20 every question answered thru the LML over all these years.  = Perhaps the=20 answers to many builder questions already exist in the archives, = available=20 thru a simple search.  As has been noted recently, we may be = losing=20 Lancairians that have reached the flying state far too frequently - = thus the=20 interest in resolving the issues concerning flight.  I sometimes = get=20 direct questions from builders and flyers that seek greater detail = after an=20 item of interest has been located in the LML archives.  It = has=20 always been questions that drive the LML although some of us tinkerers = contribute the results of "flight experiments" to the LML.
 
Secondly, certain Lancair models have type specific web = sites.
 
Bryan, as the starter of a web based forum (http://www.lancairforce.com/), = you are=20 probably aware that Lancair folks are generally not "chatty" = types. =20 There has been several attempts at forums and some just don't seem to = have the=20 activity that is seen elsewhere.
 
Please keep in mind that the LML is question driven - no = questions, no=20 traffic.
 
Uh, Angier, how are your projects coming?
 
Grayhawk AKA Scott Krueger
 
In a message dated 11/15/2008 6:36:35 A.M. Central Standard Time, = vonjet@gmail.com writes:



 
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