X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:01:16 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.122] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3302137 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:19:34 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=71.74.56.122; envelope-from=sdfields@austin.rr.com Received: from austin ([66.68.66.96]) by hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com with SMTP id <20081116001855.WIVH16609.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@austin> for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:18:55 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <003d01c9471c$33992260$c400a8c0@rr.com> From: "Stan Fields" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LML X-Original-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:17:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01C946E9.E86F43A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C946E9.E86F43A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, =20 I've been a long time "lml listener" and last February I bought a Legacy = RG project. I have looked at as many builder's logs as I can find and = joined all the forums as well. There isn't a lot of builder chat = anywhere that I can find. =20 =20 I enjoy the lml chatter which deals mostly with issues affecting flyers. = One day I hope to be able to contribute to these discussions. However I = am most interested now in building logistics. The wonderful thing about = lml's flying audience is that they've all been there and are a wealth of = knowledge. Whenever a building question does get presented to the group = there is good participation to help answer it. I many respects this is = even better that a couple of builders commiserating over a problem. =20 I would like to see more participation among builders. I'd like to hear = about their experiences, best practices and insights as well as = recommendations to improve the workflow or the product. It would be = helpful to share builder logs or websites to build a stronger sense of = community. I am just getting started and I'm in the process of building = a website at www.LancairLegacyBuilder.com =20 =20 So for me, keep the flying chat going strong - the discussions are all = relevant. But I'd encourage builders to speak out. I for one am = interested in hearing more about this multi-year building endeavor = carried out in garages and hangers all across the country. =20 Stan Fields Kit #201 L2K/RG Blackbird =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bryan Wullner=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:36 AM Subject: [LML] Re: LML Angier, I agree. It seems like there isn't much happening on the LML as far = build discussions. You can still get answers to some but really seems = like not much activity for, what I thought to be a fairly large amount = of aircraft kits out there.=20 Anyone know how many Lancair kits have been sold since the inception?=20 Lancair builders and owners are either:=20 1. Going extinct or:=20 2. People who fly and build Lancairs don't care to have any web = presence. Which will eventually lead Lancair to item 1 in this age.. Soon its going to be a world where experiment airplane is defined as = an RV. Thats my Wahhh wahhh wahh viewpoint of the day. Bryan =20 On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:08 PM, wrote: Posted for "Greenbacks, UnLtd." : I may be confused about the original purpose and intent of LML but = then=20 again, I'm confused by many things of late. As I recall, LML came into existence in order to be a sort of = clearinghouse=20 for builders to share building tips, techniques, problem solving, = etc... and=20 as an extension/supplement to factory technical support. =20 LML seems to me to be drifting wide of this mark and in danger of = losing its=20 relevance, to me anyway. Perhaps I'm one of only a few still = building and as=20 such, recent posts about FAA crud are of little importance to me. =20 Angier Ames N4ZQ N3ZQ [Good points, Angier.... I've always tried to keep a very light hand = on the LML, allowing the community to pretty much police itself. As a = more-or-less open venue, its focus tends to shift with the times. It = was a much different community back when I started the LML, one that was = pretty much dominated by builders. Over the years much of that building = has resulted in completed aircraft and a change of focus for those folks = who have moved from building to flying and maintaining. This doesn't = mean that we still don't have meaningful discussions about the former, = just that they tend to be fewer and further between. That being said, = if you (and I mean that collectively here) would prefer that I start = filtering the more "peripheral" discussions from the LML, I'd be happy = to do so. My concern is mostly about where to draw the line. Let me = think about it over the weekend, and if anyone else would like to chime = in with suggestions or solutions to perceived problems, please feel free = to contact me offline at my private email address, just so we don't clog = the LML with a bunch of management issues that are better left in the = back room. Thanks to everyone for your continued support and = participation... without you the LML would be an empty email box. = ] -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C946E9.E86F43A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello=20 All,

 

I've=20 been a long time "lml listener" and last February I bought a Legacy = RG=20 project. I have looked at as many builder's logs as I can find and=20 joined all the forums as well. There isn't a lot of builder = chat=20 anywhere that I can find. 

 

I=20 enjoy the lml chatter which deals mostly with issues affecting flyers. = One day I=20 hope to be able to contribute to these discussions. However I am = most=20 interested now in building logistics.  The wonderful thing about = lml's=20 flying audience is that they've all been there and are a wealth of=20 knowledge. Whenever a building question does get presented to the=20 group there is good participation to=20 help answer it. I many respects this is even better that a couple = of=20 builders commiserating over a problem.

 

I=20 would like to see more participation among builders. I'd like to hear = about=20 their experiences, best practices and insights as well as = recommendations=20 to improve the workflow or the product.  It would be helpful to = share=20 builder logs or websites to build a stronger sense of community. I = am just=20 getting started and I'm in the process of building a website at www.LancairLegacyBuilder.com=   

 

So for=20 me, keep the flying chat going strong - the discussions are all = relevant.=20 But I'd encourage builders to speak out. I for one am interested in = hearing more=20 about this multi-year building endeavor carried out in garages and = hangers all=20 across the country.

 

Stan=20 Fields

Kit=20 #201

L2K/RG=20 Blackbird

 

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bryan = Wullner=20
Sent: Saturday, November 15, = 2008 6:36=20 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: LML

Angier,

I agree.  It seems like there isn't much happening on the = LML as far=20 build discussions.  You can still get answers to some but really = seems=20 like not much activity for, what I thought to be a fairly large amount = of=20 aircraft kits out there. 
Anyone know how many Lancair kits have been sold since the=20 inception? 
Lancair builders and owners are either: 
1. Going extinct or: 
2. People who fly and build Lancairs don't care to have any web = presence.=20 Which will eventually lead Lancair to item 1 in this age..
Soon its going to be a world where experiment airplane is defined = as an=20 RV.
Thats my Wahhh wahhh wahh viewpoint of the day.
Bryan
  



On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:08 PM, <marv@lancair.net> = wrote:
Posted for = "Greenbacks,=20 UnLtd." <N4ZQ@comcast.net>:

 I may be = confused about=20 the original purpose and intent of LML but  then =
again, I'm=20 confused by many things of late.
 As I recall, LML came into = existence in order to be a sort of  clearinghouse
for = builders=20 to share building tips, techniques, problem  solving, = etc... and=20
as an extension/supplement to factory=20 technical  support.
 
 LML seems to me to = be=20 drifting wide of this mark and in danger of  losing its=20
relevance, to me anyway. Perhaps I'm one of only a = few  still=20 building and as
such, recent posts about FAA crud are of=20 little  importance to me.
 
 Angier=20 Ames
 N4ZQ
 N3ZQ


[Good points, Angier.... = I've=20 always tried to keep a very light hand on the LML, allowing the = community to=20 pretty much police itself.  As a more-or-less open venue, its = focus=20 tends to shift with the times.  It was a much different = community back=20 when I started the LML, one that was pretty much dominated by=20 builders.  Over the years much of that building has resulted in = completed aircraft and a change of focus for those folks who have = moved from=20 building to flying and maintaining.  This doesn't mean that we = still=20 don't have meaningful discussions about the former, just that they = tend to=20 be fewer and further between.  That being said, if you (and I = mean that=20 collectively here) would prefer that I start filtering the more = "peripheral"=20 discussions from the LML, I'd be happy to do so.  My concern is = mostly=20 about where to draw the line.  Let me think about it over the = weekend,=20 and if anyone else would like to chime in with suggestions or = solutions to=20 perceived problems, please feel free to contact me offline at my = private=20 email address, just so we don't clog the LML with a bunch of = management=20 issues that are better left in the back room.  Thanks to = everyone for=20 your continued support and participation... without you the LML = would be an=20 empty email box.  <Marv>   ]

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