X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:06:56 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3301467 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:17:02 -0500 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.c98.3c87da66 (48552) for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:16:54 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:17:23 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LML X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1226755043" X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5000 X-Spam-Flag:NO -------------------------------1226755043 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Angier and Bryan, First of all, Angier has been building for ever and has gotten every question answered thru the LML over all these years. Perhaps the answers to many builder questions already exist in the archives, available thru a simple search. As has been noted recently, we may be losing Lancairians that have reached the flying state far too frequently - thus the interest in resolving the issues concerning flight. I sometimes get direct questions from builders and flyers that seek greater detail after an item of interest has been located in the LML archives. It has always been questions that drive the LML although some of us tinkerers contribute the results of "flight experiments" to the LML. Secondly, certain Lancair models have type specific web sites. Bryan, as the starter of a web based forum (_http://www.lancairforce.com/_ (http://www.lancairforce.com/) ), you are probably aware that Lancair folks are generally not "chatty" types. There has been several attempts at forums and some just don't seem to have the activity that is seen elsewhere. Please keep in mind that the LML is question driven - no questions, no traffic. Uh, Angier, how are your projects coming? Grayhawk AKA Scott Krueger In a message dated 11/15/2008 6:36:35 A.M. Central Standard Time, vonjet@gmail.com writes: Angier, I agree. It seems like there isn't much happening on the LML as far build discussions. You can still get answers to some but really seems like not much activity for, what I thought to be a fairly large amount of aircraft kits out there. Anyone know how many Lancair kits have been sold since the inception? Lancair builders and owners are either: 1. Going extinct or: 2. People who fly and build Lancairs don't care to have any web presence. Which will eventually lead Lancair to item 1 in this age.. Soon its going to be a world where experiment airplane is defined as an RV. Thats my Wahhh wahhh wahh viewpoint of the day. Bryan On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:08 PM, <_marv@lancair.net_ (mailto:marv@lancair.net) > wrote: Posted for "Greenbacks, UnLtd." <_N4ZQ@comcast.net_ (mailto:N4ZQ@comcast.net) >: I may be confused about the original purpose and intent of LML but then again, I'm confused by many things of late. As I recall, LML came into existence in order to be a sort of clearinghouse for builders to share building tips, techniques, problem solving, etc... and as an extension/supplement to factory technical support. LML seems to me to be drifting wide of this mark and in danger of losing its relevance, to me anyway. Perhaps I'm one of only a few still building and as such, recent posts about FAA crud are of little importance to me. Angier Ames N4ZQ N3ZQ [Good points, Angier.... I've always tried to keep a very light hand on the LML, allowing the community to pretty much police itself. As a more-or-less open venue, its focus tends to shift with the times. It was a much different community back when I started the LML, one that was pretty much dominated by builders. Over the years much of that building has resulted in completed aircraft and a change of focus for those folks who have moved from building to flying and maintaining. This doesn't mean that we still don't have meaningful discussions about the former, just that they tend to be fewer and further between. That being said, if you (and I mean that collectively here) would prefer that I start filtering the more "peripheral" discussions from the LML, I'd be happy to do so. My concern is mostly about where to draw the line. Let me think about it over the weekend, and if anyone else would like to chime in with suggestions or solutions to perceived problems, please feel free to contact me offline at my private email address, just so we don't clog the LML with a bunch of management issues that are better left in the back room. Thanks to everyone for your continued support and participation... without you the LML would be an empty email box. ] -- For archives and unsub _http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html_ (http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html) **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) -------------------------------1226755043 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Angier and Bryan,
 
First of all, Angier has been building for ever and has gotten e= very=20 question answered thru the LML over all these years.  Perhaps the answe= rs=20 to many builder questions already exist in the archives, available thru a si= mple=20 search.  As has been noted recently, we may be losing Lancairians that=20= have=20 reached the flying state far too frequently - thus the interest in resolving= the=20 issues concerning flight.  I sometimes get direct questions from builde= rs=20 and flyers that seek greater detail after an item of interest has been locat= ed=20 in the LML archives.  It has always been questions that drive the=20= LML=20 although some of us tinkerers contribute the results of "flight experiments"= to=20 the LML.
 
Secondly, certain Lancair models have type specific web sites.
 
Bryan, as the starter of a web based forum (http://www.lancairforce.com/), you= are=20 probably aware that Lancair folks are generally not "chatty" types.  Th= ere=20 has been several attempts at forums and some just don't seem to have the=20 activity that is seen elsewhere.
 
Please keep in mind that the LML is question driven - no questions, no=20 traffic.
 
Uh, Angier, how are your projects coming?
 
Grayhawk AKA Scott Krueger
 
In a message dated 11/15/2008 6:36:35 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 vonjet@gmail.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Angier,=20

I agree.  It seems like there isn't much happening on the LML as= far=20 build discussions.  You can still get answers to some but really seem= s=20 like not much activity for, what I thought to be a fairly large amount of=20 aircraft kits out there. 
Anyone know how many Lancair kits have been sold since the=20 inception? 
Lancair builders and owners are either: 
1. Going extinct or: 
2. People who fly and build Lancairs don't care to have any web prese= nce.=20 Which will eventually lead Lancair to item 1 in this age..
Soon its going to be a world where experiment airplane is defined as=20= an=20 RV.
Thats my Wahhh wahhh wahh viewpoint of the day.
Bryan
  



On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:08 PM, = <marv@lancair.net> wrote:
Posted for "Greenba= cks,=20 UnLtd." <N4ZQ@comcast.net>:

 I may be confused= about=20 the original purpose and intent of LML but  then
again, I'= m=20 confused by many things of late.
 As I recall, LML came into=20 existence in order to be a sort of  clearinghouse
for buil= ders=20 to share building tips, techniques, problem  solving, etc... a= nd=20
as an extension/supplement to factory=20 technical  support.
 
 LML seems to me to be=20 drifting wide of this mark and in danger of  losing its=20
relevance, to me anyway. Perhaps I'm one of only a few  st= ill=20 building and as
such, recent posts about FAA crud are of=20 little  importance to me.
 
 Angier=20 Ames
 N4ZQ
 N3ZQ


[Good points, Angier.... I'v= e=20 always tried to keep a very light hand on the LML, allowing the communit= y to=20 pretty much police itself.  As a more-or-less open venue, its focus= =20 tends to shift with the times.  It was a much different community b= ack=20 when I started the LML, one that was pretty much dominated by=20 builders.  Over the years much of that building has resulted in=20 completed aircraft and a change of focus for those folks who have moved=20= from=20 building to flying and maintaining.  This doesn't mean that we stil= l=20 don't have meaningful discussions about the former, just that they tend=20= to=20 be fewer and further between.  That being said, if you (and I mean=20= that=20 collectively here) would prefer that I start filtering the more "periphe= ral"=20 discussions from the LML, I'd be happy to do so.  My concern is mos= tly=20 about where to draw the line.  Let me think about it over the weeke= nd,=20 and if anyone else would like to chime in with suggestions or solutions=20= to=20 perceived problems, please feel free to contact me offline at my private= =20 email address, just so we don't clog the LML with a bunch of management=20 issues that are better left in the back room.  Thanks to everyone f= or=20 your continued support and participation... without you the LML would be= an=20 empty email box.  <Marv>   ]

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