X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:09:41 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.98.42.170] (HELO smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3290056 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:30:49 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.98.42.170; envelope-from=rmitch1@hughes.net Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay03.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 049846AA001B for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:30:13 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2,0,0,acbd2b18b73484d1,b411e116ac38a5be,rmitch1@hughes.net,lml@lancaironline.net,RULES_HIT:4:10:75:305:355:379:476:481:539:541:542:599:800:945:947:960:962:966:967:972:973:979:980:983:988:989:1021:1029:1155:1160:1189:1208:1221:1260:1308:1309:1313:1314:1345:1359:1431:1433:1434:1436:1437:1515:1516:1517:1521:1575:1588:1589:1592:1594:1605:1691:1730:1776:1792:2194:2196:2198:2199:2200:2201:2378:2525:2526:2528:2551:2553:2559:2562:2639:2682:2685:2693:2857:2859:2902:2917:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3027:3280:3585:3586:3636:3742:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:3876:3877:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4040:4077:4080:4082:4250:4321:4361:4362:4379:4383:4385:4395:5007:6114:6117:6119:6248:6300:7576:7679:7688:7808:7903:8501:8518:8583:8603:8957:9010:9025:9121:9151:9177:9388,0,RBL:none,CacheIP:none,Bayesian:0.5,0.5,0.5,Netcheck:none,DomainCache:0,MSF:not bulk,SPF:,MSBL:none,DNSBL:none Received: from SonyVaioSZ (dpc6935104091.direcpc.com [69.35.104.91]) (Authenticated sender: rmitch1@hughes.net) by omf04.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:30:07 +0000 (UTC) From: "Robert Mitchell" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] The FAA compromises public safety X-Original-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:30:00 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: <57439048990F4D33B10F0EC05F6F2809@SonyVaioSZ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C945D7.01868C90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclFQfmgzedmsEV7R6mRRgwrF2PWWwAxZegg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-session-marker: 726D6974636831406875676865732E6E6574 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C945D7.01868C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It will be interesting to see the statistics evolve over the next few years as the pilots who fear losing their medicals move into sport pilot category aircraft and fly on their drivers license. At my airport alone we have several pilots who have abandoned special issuance / reissuance of their medical certificate and are flying in sport pilot. I haven't seen anyone sell their Lancair yet, but, I know two pilots who have bought Jabiru's selling their Bonanza and C-210P. Bob Mitchell L-320 Senior AME _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Hannahan Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:43 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] The FAA compromises public safety We live in a society that is centered on asphalt and concrete. Observe the world from a thousand feet or so and notice that people spend the vast majority of their lives close to or on roads. Mentally strip away the cars, buildings and other objects leaving only the people and you will see that humans cover a very small fraction of the earth?s surface, except on asphalt and concrete. That is why when small airplanes fall out of the sky they rarely kill people on the ground. With a drivers license you can drive a 25,000 lb Winnebago on packed freeways at 75 mph, surrounded by innocent people in vans, small cars and motorcycles. Have a medical incapacitation and there is a very good chance you will kill several of them. Assume a pilot is about to embark on a trip from LA to Oklahoma City, and unknown to him, he is going to have a massive fatal stroke in the next 24 hours. If he chooses to drive straight through he will have the stroke while driving, with perhaps a 10% chance of killing an innocent person. If he fly?s a Lancair there is a 21% chance (5hrs/24hrs) he will be flying when he has the stroke, and when the plane hits the ground perhaps one chance in three hundred that an innocent person will be killed, so one chance in 1,440 of an innocent death. If medical certification forces him out of the cockpit, risk to the public increases 14,400%. We could debate the appropriate medical standards for driving a car, but the medical standards for flying a light plane should be much lower than those for driving. Anyone licensed to drive should be encouraged to fly a light plane in the interest of public safety. Medical certification for flying light planes reduces public safety in contradiction to the FAA?s mandate, and should be eliminated. Regards, Bill Hannahan wfhannahan@yahoo.com To their credit aeromedical in Oklahoma City used statistical data to make the age 40 rule change based on the average person less likely to have an incapacitating event in their thirties. I can tell you the system often does work to keep some people from flying who shouldnt be for those they might bring along and those on the ground below. I would like to see how they collected the data on those accidents on pilots without their medical certificate. Accidents related to medical issues are rare and we know how the data is collected on those with medical certificates. Thanks for the stats on the pilot group. Makes the point for everyone to have the proper training while getting the experience needed. Keep em coming. I wouldnt think of flying without recurrent proficiency training. Matt Miriani AME ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C945D7.01868C90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It will be interesting to see the = statistics evolve over the next few years as the pilots who fear losing their = medicals move into sport pilot category aircraft and fly on their drivers = license.=A0 At my airport alone we have several pilots who have abandoned special = issuance / reissuance of their medical certificate and are flying in sport = pilot.

 

I haven’t seen anyone sell = their Lancair yet, but, I know two pilots who have bought Jabiru’s = selling their Bonanza and C-210P.

 

Bob = Mitchell

L-320

Senior = AME

 

From: = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Hannahan
Sent: Wednesday, November = 12, 2008 9:43 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] The FAA = compromises public safety

 



 <= /p>

We live in a society that is centered on = asphalt and concrete. Observe the world from a thousand feet or so and notice that = people spend the vast majority of their lives close to or on roads. =

 <= /p>

Mentally strip away the cars, buildings and = other objects leaving only the people and you will see that humans cover a = very small fraction of the earth=A2s surface, except on asphalt and = concrete. That is why when small airplanes fall out of the sky they rarely kill = people on the ground.

 <= /p>

With a drivers license you can drive a = 25,000 lb Winnebago on packed freeways at = 75 mph, surrounded by innocent people in vans, = small cars and motorcycles. Have a medical incapacitation and there is a very = good chance you will kill several of = them.

 <= /p>

Assume a pilot is about to embark on a trip = from LA to Oklahoma = City, and unknown to him, he is going to have a massive fatal stroke in the = next 24 hours.

 <= /p>

If he chooses to drive straight through he = will have the stroke while driving, with perhaps a 10% chance of killing an = innocent person.

 <= /p>

If  he fly=A2s a Lancair there is a = 21% chance  (5hrs/24hrs) he will be flying when he has the stroke, and when the = plane hits the ground perhaps  one chance in three hundred that an = innocent person will be killed, so one chance in 1,440 of an innocent = death.

 <= /p>

If medical certification forces him out of = the cockpit, risk to the public increases = 14,400%.

 <= /p>

We could debate the appropriate medical = standards for driving a car, but the medical standards for flying a light plane = should be much lower than those for driving. Anyone licensed to drive should = be encouraged to fly a light plane in the interest of public = safety.

 <= /p>

Medical certification for flying light = planes reduces public safety in contradiction to the FAA=A2s mandate, and should be = eliminated.

 <= /p>



Regards,

Bill Hannahan



 

To their credit aeromedical in Oklahoma City used = statistical data to make the age 40 rule change based on the average person less = likely to have an incapacitating event in their thirties. I can tell you the = system often does work to keep some people from flying who shouldnt be for = those they might bring along and those on the ground below. I would like = to see how they collected the data on those accidents on pilots without = their medical certificate. Accidents related to medical issues are rare = and we know how the data is collected on those with medical = certificates.

 

Thanks for the stats on the pilot group. Makes = the point for everyone to have the proper training while getting the = experience needed. Keep em coming. I wouldnt think of flying without recurrent proficiency training.

 

Matt Miriani

AME

 

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