X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:51:48 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.8] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3282004 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:31:47 -0500 Received: from N66mg@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.bbf.3c41131b (41809) for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:31:40 -0500 (EST) From: N66mg@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:31:40 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Safety in our Community of Lancairs X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1226161900" X-Mailer: Unknown sub 5000 X-Spam-Flag:NO -------------------------------1226161900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en To All Concern, I'm just finishing a Lancair IV kit from someone who lost his medical and=20 all this concern about flying mishaps is very frightening. Private vs=20 commercial vs IFR is showing great ideas for safety, but some of these acci= dents come=20 from over confidence and not following the numbers that apply to the planes= .=20 Flying into adverse weather, trying to fly slower that the aircraft was=20 designed, showing off and just plain stupid and all the above measure up to=20= =20 accidents. Good plain judgement can help to prevent most of these and better= =20 training, but over confidence probably plays a big part of all these accide= nts. =20 I have about 1000 hours in a Glasair and every time that I go up I think=20 about how lucky I am to be able to fly and still pay attention to the numbe= rs=20 that make this plane safe. I don't push the envelope, the speeds are what t= hey=20 are and I follow them very close and always on the side of safety. High=20 performance aircraft are what they are and you can't follow a Cessna 152 d= own=20 wind, after all you are the pilot in command and tell the controller "NO" w= hen=20 you need to. In my 6 decades of life, I still am able to learn from others=20= and=20 we are all in the same boat or should I say a plane! That's my two cents. Michael n66mg =20 In a message dated 11/8/2008 7:11:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, =20 vtailjeff@aol.com writes: Kevin, =20 I am not saying anything. I am just doing the math. Once I have finished th= e=20 math I will let everyone know... I did address the hour thing in the other=20 graph. Put the two together and you have a picture. Private pilot + low tim= e=20 in type=3D higher risk of accident.=20 I agree that training reduces accidents. As I said earlier in my ten =20 recommendations to become a safer pilot is if you are going to spend the mon= ey =20 training you might as well get a new rating. ;) =20 Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Stallard To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 5:37 pm Subject: [LML] Re: Safety in our Community of Lancairs =20 =20 =20 Jeff, =20 >While Private Pilot certificates comprise 35% of total U.S. pilot=20 population. =20 >Private pilots account for almost 55% of the Lancair accident population=20 and 48% of the GA accident population =20 I think you are trying to say is =E2=80=9CIf you only have a Private Pilot=20 certificate, you are more likely to have an accident.=E2=80=9D And that yo= u probably mean to=20 imply =20 that if you hold some other advanced rating, that you have a less chance of= =20 having an accident. =20 The propblem is (at least for me) is that 100% of GA accidents are caused=20 by, well, pilots, and half of those accidents (or thereabouts) are caused=20= by=20 folks with higher ratings than a private pilot (according to your numbers). =20 I=E2=80=99m not convienced that a rating is the thing that is indicative of= the=20 likely hood of an having an accident, however, I think that the amount of=20 practice and training are, and unfortunalty ratings don=E2=80=99t accuratly= reflect this=20 quantity. 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To All Concern,
I'm just finishing a Lancair IV kit from someone who lost his=20 medical and all this concern about flying mishaps is=20 very frightening. Private vs commercial vs IFR is showing gre= at=20 ideas for safety, but some of these accidents come from over confidence and=20= not=20 following the numbers that apply to the planes.
Flying into adverse weather, trying to fly slower that the airc= raft=20 was designed, showing off and just plain stupid and all the above measure up= to=20 accidents. Good plain judgement can help to prevent most of these and better= =20 training, but over confidence probably plays a big part of all=20 these accidents.   
I have about 1000 hours in a Glasair and every time that I go u= p I=20 think about how lucky I am to be able to fly and still pay attention to the=20 numbers that make this plane safe. I don't push the envelope, the speeds are= =20 what they are and I follow them very close and always on the side of safety.= =20 High performance aircraft are what they are and you can't follow a Cessna=20 152  down wind, after all you are the pilot in command and tell the=20 controller "NO" when you need to. In my 6 decades of life, I still am able t= o=20 learn from others and we are all in the same boat or should I say a plane!=20 That's my two cents.
Michael
n66mg
In a message dated 11/8/2008 7:11:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,=20 vtailjeff@aol.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Kevin,=20

I am not saying anything. I am just doing the math. Once I have=20 finished the math I will let everyone know... I did address the hour=20 thing in the other graph. Put the two together and you have a picture. Pri= vate=20 pilot + low time in type=3D higher risk of accident.

I agree that=20 training reduces accidents.  As I said earlier in my ten=20 recommendations to become a safer pilot is if you are going to spend the m= oney=20 training you might as well get a new rating. ;)=20

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Stallard= =20 <Kevin@arilabs.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Fri, 7 Nov= =20 2008 5:37 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Safety in our Community of Lancairs
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Jeff,
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>While Priva= te=20 Pilot certificates comprise 35% of total U.S. pilot population.=20
>Private pil= ots=20 account for almost 55% of the Lancair accident population and 48% of the G= A=20 accident population
&= nbsp;
I think you are= =20 trying to say is =E2=80=9CIf you only have a Private Pilot certificate, yo= u are more=20 likely to have an accident.=E2=80=9D  And that you probably mean to i= mply=20
that if you hol= d some=20 other advanced rating, that you have a less chance of having an=20 accident.
&= nbsp;
The propblem is= (at=20 least for me) is that 100% of GA accidents are caused by, well,  pilo= ts,=20 and half of those accidents (or thereabouts) are caused by folks with high= er=20 ratings than a private pilot (according to your numbers).
&= nbsp;
I=E2=80=99m not= convienced=20 that a rating is the thing that is indicative of the likely hood of an hav= ing=20 an accident, however, I think that the amount of practice and training are= ,=20 and unfortunalty ratings don=E2=80=99t accuratly reflect this quantity.&nb= sp; However,=20 a logbook usually does.   Maybe that=E2=80=99s were we need to=20 look.
&= nbsp;
Kevin
&= nbsp;
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