X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:26:19 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.125] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.9) with ESMTP id 3260474 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:15:07 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=71.74.56.125; envelope-from=kkellner1@new.rr.com Received: from D4SSJS91 ([65.27.68.13]) by hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081103161429.UIGJ18380.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@D4SSJS91> for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:14:29 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <4259BA28E649424A9ACCCEBE5B8BDE7C@D4SSJS91> From: "Ken" X-Original-To: References: Subject: Re: [LML] Lancair owners form organization for safety, advocacy -AOPA article X-Original-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:14:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C93D9C.FFE68620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C93D9C.FFE68620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Before we get to concerned about non profits making to much "profit", or LO= BO replacing the LML (which doesn't appear to be the intent). I'm willing = to give it a shot. Most Bonanza owners I have talked to seem the think the= ABS has been good for Bonanza owners. Same thing with the Piper Owner Soc= iety for Piper drivers. If we can build something similar why not. For t= he initial cost of a $40 membership I am willing to put off that trip to Ta= hiti one more year to save up. Maybe at some point in the future we will h= ave an advocacy group with members that value being members, which is my d= efinition of a successful organization. Ken Kellner IV-P 14LK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: vonjet@gmail.com=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [LML] Lancair owners form organization for safety, advocacy = -AOPA article Before you get excited about nonprofit. Nonprofit doesnt mean they cant charge you excessive amounts of money for= anything they offer.=20 There are all sorts of ways they can call the income other things than pr= ofit.=20 Just look at NBAA. They are a .org and if you knew what it costs to adver= tise at a convention they put on or to have a booth at one of their shows y= ou would flip. Not to mention admission fees just to attend. Nonprofit? The= y are probably one of the most profitable organizations.=20 Or maybe they call profit: funds. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: Matt Reeves Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:10:09 -0400 To: Subject: [LML] Lancair owners form organization for safety, advocacy - AO= PA article I think the best part about this is that it's "nonprofit." The last plac= e I think anyone should be profiting in is Lancair education and training a= nd flight testing. =20 I'm sick and tired of the "what's your life worth?" - argument. With th= at argument, why not pay ten milllion dollars for training? Because it's a= stupid argument - that's why. Finally, we have a group truly interesting in safety, not money. No one = has a problem paying for ACTUAL expenses when it comes to training, it's th= e $5000/hr approach that steers people away. Above all, hopefully this group will promote common sense, which is price= less. Matt By By AOPA ePublishing staff A new nonprofit organization for Lancair owners and builders will focus o= n promoting the safe use of Lancair aircraft and emphasize owner, operator,= and builder education and training, according to the group=E2=80=99s found= ers. Recently started by a small group of Lancair enthusiasts and endorsed by = Lancair International Inc., the Lancair Owners and Builders Organization, o= r LOBO, also hopes to build partnerships with insurance companies and work = closely with regulatory agencies. =E2=80=9CCoupled with better communication between our members and insura= nce providers, improved safety will help our members better control skyrock= eting operating costs,=E2=80=9D said LOBO co-founder Bob Pastusek. Lancairs have been involved in what the FAA labeled a =E2=80=9Cdisproport= ionate=E2=80=9D number of fatal accidents, including seven fatal accidents = between February and July of this year. See AOPA Air Safety Foundation Exec= utive Director Bruce Landsberg=E2=80=99s blog on the subject and share your= opinions. ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C93D9C.FFE68620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Before we get to concerned about non profits making to much= =20 "profit", or LOBO replacing the LML (which doesn't appear to be the=20 intent).  I'm willing to give it a shot.  Most Bonanza owner= s I=20 have talked to seem the think the ABS has been good for Bonanza owners.&nbs= p;=20 Same thing with the Piper Owner Society for Piper=20 drivers.   If we can build something similar why not.  = For=20 the initial cost of a $40 membership I am willing to put off that trip= to=20 Tahiti one more year to save up.  Maybe at some point in the future we= will=20 have an advocacy group with  members that value being members, wh= ich=20 is my definition of a successful organization.
 
Ken Kellner
IV-P  14LK
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 vonjet@gmail= .com=20
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:= 29=20 PM
Subject: Re: [LML] Lancair owners = form=20 organization for safety, advocacy -AOPA article

Before you get excited about nonprofit.
Nonprofit doesn= t=20 mean they cant charge you excessive amounts of money for anything they of= fer.=20
There are all sorts of ways they can call the income other things tha= n=20 profit.
Just look at NBAA. They are a .org and if you knew what it co= sts=20 to advertise at a convention they put on or to have a booth at one of the= ir=20 shows you would flip. Not to mention admission fees just to attend. Nonpr= ofit?=20 They are probably one of the most profitable organizations.
Or maybe = they=20 call profit: funds.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From: Matt Reeves <mattreeves@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri= , 31=20 Oct 2008 12:10:09 -0400
To:=20 <lml@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [LML] Lancair owners for= m=20 organization for safety, advocacy - AOPA article

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