X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:36:54 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com ([74.125.78.25] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.9) with ESMTP id 3245809 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:28:24 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.78.25; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 25so217368eya.25 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:27:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=hn5EEvekNKlhV33P2buHXTqLo9D4K2UK8IhveK3IuR2yaKET+FWKAXRw7H8RwCV1wn gdiqExeEXD3owgHrIG3qvrPWw0QodqHIEsrj3tm3Cn9IU7d5taKjidmdKxSDBwTs7OF4 xSCX9vBY9gCqQbRUm7NzW33kMdXi6afGJHefk= Received: by 10.210.73.12 with SMTP id v12mr11611397eba.141.1225369667983; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.102.19 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:27:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Message-ID: <5cf132c0810300527m2a8fbc6cwbb04d89cdb955068@mail.gmail.com> X-Original-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:27:47 -0500 From: "Mark Steitle" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: ES/IV seats (Honda CRX Seats) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25415_28683521.1225369667981" References: ------=_Part_25415_28683521.1225369667981 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Tim, I used Honda CRV seats in my ES. But I think it resulted in less headroom than the stock seats, but then you can recline them back a few notches to regain what you've lost in seat height. Also, there is nothing special about the CRV seats, almost any small car seat would probably work as you'll have to narrow them anyway. The seat pan is stamped sheet metal and was the most difficult to narrow. I cut out a 2" strip right down the center line and TIG welded the two halves back together. I used the 2" strip as a doubler and made spot welds down both sides of the seam. You'll also have to cut down the seat springs to account for the narrower seat pan. The seat back was easier to narrow as it is a tube frame design. I cut 2" from the bottom tube, and then on the upper tube cut 1" on each side of the headrest mount. I used a smaller tube to slip inside the joints and TIG welded it back together. If it sounds like there is a lot of welding involved in doing this, you're right. The CRV seats have lots of heavy adjustment mechanisms that I removed, but you'll need to do some more welding for new mounting brackets. I used some aftermarket slides which gave me an extra 2" of seat travel. Once welded, I painted everything and took them to the upholstery shop, along with the old cushions and had them narrow the cushions and reupholster everything. I am very happy with the end result. And yes, they are very comfortable. One added bonus is that the seats both recline which makes it possible to work under the panel without removing the seats. Mark S. On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:09 PM, wrote: > I'd like to know more about the CRX seat application as well. > I need more head room (5'11") and reclining would be awesome. > Thanks, > Tim > N524JG > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of > Jeffrey Liegner, MD > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:44 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: ES/IV seats (Honda CRX Seats) > > I assume the seats went to a good home. > > How did you modify the CRX seats? How were they narrowed? And what > about the floor bolts to the main spar, how was this different? > > Jeff > > > > >Jeffrey, > >I'd strongly recommend doing something like the Honda seats. I > >can't imagine doing without a reclining system. I recline the seat > >to get in our out and then adjust after I'm in. I'm not agile > >enough to get in without reclining. And the seat adjusting rails > >are a nicer design - take up less vertical space and have nice nylon > >slides for easy movement. The bucket is dropped in the middle to be > >almost flush with the bottom of the slides, giving an extra > >half-inch of headroom. And the headrest is adjustable. > > > > > > > > > > >Jeffrey, > > > >I used a pair of Honda CRX seats. Had to narrow them, but otherwise > > > >they worked well, including the rails. The reclining seatback is > > > >priceless. > > > >Gary > > > > > >> > > > >> >I've got a pair of the original IV or ES seats that should go to > a > > > >> >good home. Otherwise they are dumpster-bound. > > > >> >Gary Casey > > > >> > > > > > -- > For archives and unsub > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html > > > -- > For archives and unsub > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html > ------=_Part_25415_28683521.1225369667981 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Tim,
I used Honda CRV seats in my ES.  But I think it resulted in less headroom than the stock seats, but then you can recline them back a few notches to regain what you've lost in seat height.  Also, there is nothing special about the CRV seats, almost any small car seat would probably work as you'll have to narrow them anyway.  The seat pan is stamped sheet metal and was the most difficult to narrow.  I cut out a 2" strip right down the center line and TIG welded the two halves back together.  I used the 2" strip as a doubler and made spot welds down both sides of the seam.  You'll also have to cut down the seat springs to account for the narrower seat pan.
 
The seat back was easier to narrow as it is a tube frame design.  I cut 2" from the bottom tube, and then on the upper tube cut 1" on each side of the headrest mount.  I used a smaller tube to slip inside the joints and TIG welded it back together.  If it sounds like there is a lot of welding involved in doing this, you're right.    
 
The CRV seats have lots of heavy adjustment mechanisms that I removed, but you'll need to do some more welding for new mounting brackets.  I used some aftermarket slides which gave me an extra 2" of seat travel.  
 
Once welded, I painted everything and took them to the upholstery shop, along with the old cushions and had them narrow the cushions and reupholster everything. 
 
I am very happy with the end result.  And yes, they are very comfortable.  One added bonus is that the seats both recline which makes it possible to work under the panel without removing the seats. 
 
Mark S.

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:09 PM, <zoelt@sio.midco.net> wrote:
I'd like to know more about the CRX seat application as well.
I need more head room (5'11") and reclining would be awesome.
Thanks,
Tim
N524JG

-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
Jeffrey Liegner, MD
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:44 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: ES/IV seats (Honda CRX Seats)

I assume the seats went to a good home.

How did you modify the CRX seats?  How were they narrowed?  And what
about the floor bolts to the main spar, how was this different?

Jeff

>
>Jeffrey,
>I'd strongly recommend doing something like the Honda seats.  I
>can't imagine doing without a reclining system.  I recline the seat
>to get in our out and then adjust after I'm in.  I'm not agile
>enough to get in without reclining.  And the seat adjusting rails
>are a nicer design - take up less vertical space and have nice nylon
>slides for easy movement.  The bucket is dropped in the middle to be
>almost flush with the bottom of the slides, giving an extra
>half-inch of headroom.  And the headrest is adjustable.
>
>
>  >
>  > >Jeffrey,
>  > >I used a pair of Honda CRX seats.  Had to narrow them, but otherwise
>  > >they worked well, including the rails.  The reclining seatback is
>  > >priceless.
>  > >Gary
>
>  > >>
>  > >>  >I've got a pair of the original IV or ES seats that should go to a
>  > >>  >good home.  Otherwise they are dumpster-bound.
>  > >>  >Gary Casey
>  > >>
>  >

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