X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:09:40 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.98.42.21] (HELO smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.7) with ESMTP id 3110175 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:13:20 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.98.42.21; envelope-from=billhogarty@hughes.net Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay06.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C9166A1D6C for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 02:12:45 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2,0,0,b91829541764a9b9,610e5631c1df0091,billhogarty@hughes.net,,RULES_HIT:355:379:854:947:988:989:1187:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1541:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2194:2199:2378:2379:2393:2559:2562:2689:2693:2828:2899:3353:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3873:3874:4037:4250:4361:5007:6119:7652:7903,0,RBL:none,CacheIP:none,Bayesian:0.5,0.5,0.5,Netcheck:none,DomainCache:0,MSF:not bulk,SPF:,MSBL:none,DNSBL:none Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dpc6744132099.direcpc.com [67.44.132.99]) (Authenticated sender: billhogarty@hughes.net) by omf13.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 02:12:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-Message-ID: <48BCA114.3000400@hughes.net> X-Original-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:12:36 -0700 From: billhogarty User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: Engine out practise References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080901-0, 09/01/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-session-marker: 62696C6C686F6761727479406875676865732E6E6574 For Jeff L: Your forced landing practice with the engine shut down, even tho you are over a runway, really worries me, especially since the L-IV/P has a long history of hot start problems. I'm not questioning the legality of the procedure (I would check with your local FSDO just to be on the safe side). My concern is with the added risk factor. What do you gain to justify the added risk? When your engine will not restart, do you intend to declare an emergency? Do you expect all other pilots to give you priority? I guarantee that if you practice this procedure enough, you will face this problem. I fly the SFO pattern at 1000 RPM and 120 kts but with the speed brakes extended. I don't pull the prop because with an actual engine failure, I don't expect to have oil pressure. My planned touchdown is at 1/3 the length of the runway so if the engine quits when I advance the throttle, the landing is routine. This works for me. Just a suggestion.... Anyway, please don't take my concern as criticism as its not intended as such. In my experience, flying in the vicinity of any airport is one of the most dangerous situations you can be in. Why increase the risk? With all the latest insurance concerns, adding unnecessary risk to routine flying just isn't prudent. Regards, Bill Hogarty