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Jeff -

Jeff, you hit this one right on. We have had a problem of these low passes at my airport and also some clowns doing aerobatics. After spending some hours with the local FSDO investigator on this matter, they provided the same interpretation as you do: low passes such as those in the videos are not legal. In fact, one of the items of evidence to proceed with disciplinary action they asked for was a video!!! If I were anyone with such videos anywhere on line, I'd be looking to get rid of them - especially when they call attention to them in emails. Real smart. I'd be willing to bet that some insurance companies would be interested in correlating this list with "public" videos.

Keep up the good work. Your research, knowledge, analyses and time are most appreciated.

John Schroeder
LNCE


On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:49:38 -0400, <vtailjeff@aol.com> wrote:

> David & Jon,
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> Apparently you do not know what is "legal" so here is 14 CFR 91.119. IMHO, a high speed low altitude pass for thrill purposes or  for video purposes is not exactly "legal". The regulations says "except for takeoff or landing". Clearly there was no intent to land &  obviously you had already taken off. Therefore any flight below the altitudes descibed below run the risk of being illegal. Again, in Jon's pass over the houses it appeared he was below 500' AGL. Legal? Not even close. All it was was was a cheap video camera and a soundtrack. Should have been set to the music from Topgun. Oh wait, another Lancair guy already did that one.
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> Secondly, if you both think it is "perfectly safe" read Chuck Brenner's NTSB accident report at http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20040916X01440&ntsbno=FTW04LA236&akey=1  What was Chuck doing right before he died? A low pass. Chuck's dead but we are still passing the hat for his widow and orphans.
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> Perfectly safe, David? No such thing in an airplane. Only a fool would think flying is "perfectly safe". Flying has risk, Lot's of risk. It has so much risk that I have two friends in an hospital bed in New Hampshire tonight in serious condition from a plane accident there. I've been to more pilot funerals than I care to remember and this kind of stuff is perfectly safe? Perfectly safe, my ass.
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> David & Jon I urge you both to either change your flying attitude or sell your Lancairs before I am citing your NTSB report her
> e.
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> Best Regards,
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> Jeff
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> Designated Pilot Examiner
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> Section 91.119: Minimum safe altitudes: General.
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> Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:
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> (a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
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> (b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.
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> (c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taylor, David <dtaylor@crescentpark.com>
> To: lml@lancaironline.net
> Sent: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 6:11 pm
> Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy video
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> Here here jon,
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> The passes on youtube are all perfectly legal – directly over runways – they are called “low approaches” – you are exactly right.  In fact the guys doing these things are the better pilots among us.  The problem and cause of accidents over and over and over is lack of skills – its pilots who are NOT practicing basic skills…….
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> From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of marv@lancair.net
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> Subject: [LML] Legacy video
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> Posted for "Jon Socolof" <jsocolof@ershire.com>:
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>  Hi,
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>  I've never posted on the LML before but I'd like to respond to those unhappy
>  with the Legacy videos.
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>  I posted a video of my Legacy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htM9K3BwXbU and
>  what you see is a "low approach" directly over the runway a maneuver that is
>  perfectly legal and safe. Everybody I have met that has seen the video has
>  enjoyed it.  I'm sorry that some feel it demonstrates reckless behavior, I
>  simply disagree. I built my airplane to enjoy and I'm proud of the video we
>  shot.  For those that may be unhappy with my video I'd rather you just
>  appreciate it for what it is and go on your way without comment.
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>  Jon Socolof
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>  Legacy 212XP
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