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RE: [LML] Re: Training (Engine Out
Practice)
I have a full feathering Hartzell prop on my TSIO550 LIVP, so I
wanted to examine the glide ratio engine out to properly program my
Chelton (which provides a continuously undulating engine out range
ring on the display), as well as calm my nerves if/when it happens for
real.
At idle power (engine running), flat pitch, best glide 120 KIAS,
VSI ~1200 fpm. 10:1 ratio
At full feather, which stops the prop completely, 120 KIAS, the
VSI ~550 fpm (maybe 600 fpm).
This calculates to 20:1 ratio...I'm not sure I believe it
completely, and have programed 15:1 to be conservative. I need
to test this engine out glide VSI a bit more before I'm
convinced.
In the Kennedy example below, 2 miles and 1000 ft altitude loss
is 12:1 ratio.
I've done this at 10,000' over an uncontrolled airport with two
runways (4500' and 5500').
Engine restart is time consuming (~30 sec) and nerve racking, as
you might expect. This is what I'm trying to address within
myself, gaining calm and experience and seeing the larger picture.
Flying the airplane, keeping best glide, paying attention to outside
the cockpit, program the Chelton for approach (NRST), and restart the
engine.
Engine restart is hot start technique as instructed by HPAT Ron
Galbraith: all knobs full in, bump the primer until pressure and fuel
flow is seen, start cranking. The fully feather prop cranks with
effort, and it seems a long time with nothing but cranking happening.
It takes ~400 rpm and at least 20 seconds of electrical cranking to
gain enough oil pressure to start the prop turning in the wind.
Once this happens, when you stop cranking (<30 sec), the prop might
be turning at ~400 rpm but not yet started. Either waiting a bit
with full IN knobs for self-start, or giving it a bit of crank helps.
A touch of priming might help also.
Once it starts turning under power, as the blades swing flat,
with throttle up, the engine gets fast quickly, and then the turbos
add more MAP, so a rapid control of throttle and prop is needed.
It adds a bit to the inner sense of impending doom.
Ron tells me that 10" MAP and flat pitch (engine running)
simulates the engine out full feather configuration. I will be
testing this myself.
The full feather prop is worth the extra $1500, in my book.
Disclosure: I am absolutely no expert on this, and I did not stay
in a Holiday Inn last nite. Expert guidance from the
professionals is most welcomed.
Jeff L
LIVP
Hi
Jeff,
I've thought about this but haven't done
it. In my installation I would fully feather the
prop. I'm told it takes about 20 secs to get the engine
going after that and more to get the prop back to a useful
pitch.
Do you actually restart or land engine
out?
Any observations?
Colyn
I had an engine failure on my first
flight. It worked out fine -- can't remember if my undies needed
special cleaning attention (I had plenty of altitude to return to my
field). But, other than that non-practice engine out, I've always used
idle power. I know it's not the same, but what if? I don't think it'd
be prudent to use my 3000 ft home field but maybe I'll try it at a
longer field.
How have your results engine-off results varied from idle power? I use
80 KIAS. What do you use?
I remember shutting the engine down and
computing a glide ratio -- it was pretty good. I figure 2 miles per
1000 ft maximum.
Bill Kennedy
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:55:49 -0400
From: liegner@embarqmail.com
Subject: [LML] Re: Training (Engine Out Practice)
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RE: [LML] Training (Engine Out Practice)
How many pilots are practicing engine out
procedures by actually shutting down the engine (in a controlled
environment, over the airport, with time to restart)? I have
(with and without an instructor).
Jeff L.
LIVP
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