Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #48640
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Subject: Re: [LML] Turn base to final
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:49:38 -0400
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Gary,
 
Lately I have chosen to do curved arc descents to landing from the downwind (i.e. no squared pattern) at my towered airport. Nobody has complained and I find it easier to control both the descent rate and speed in a constant banked turn (assuming I guessed the wind effect properly) and a minor fix is less dramatic than in those 90 degree pattern turns as its need can be recognized earlier.  Oh well, fly it the way you like.......
 
Scott Krueger
 
In a message dated 8/29/2008 6:15:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, glcasey@adelphia.net writes:
There was an interesting comment posted the other day that 
essentially said that a turn to final won't result in an accelerated 
stall because the aircraft is descending and therefore has a load 
factor of less than 1 G.  Of course, as long as the aircraft isn't 
accelerating vertically the situation is the same as for level flight 
- the load factor will be greater than 1 G.  But what if one did 
decide to turn the 90-degree turn while keeping the load factor at 1 
G?  Certainly any turn at any bank angle can be made at 1 G as long 
as the aircraft is allowed to accelerate downward.  How much, I 
asked, so I went to my trusty spreadsheet and did some calculations.  
If you turn 90 degrees at a bank angle of 15 degrees (load factor of 
1.0 instead of the normal 1.04) and an airspeed of about 90 knots you 
will exit the turn at a vertical descent rate of 1,000 ft/min MORE 
than when you entered.  Do it at a bank angle of 30 degrees and the 
number is about 2,000 ft/min.  at first it seemed to me that it is 
unlikely that doing this type of thing makes sense, although I 
suppose one could go from a base leg at level flight and use the turn 
to make the transition to descending flight.  A 1,000 to 2,000 ft/min 
descent rate isn't far off for a normal final approach, so maybe it 
would be a reasonable thing to do as normal practice.  Just a thought.

Gary Casey
ES #157

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