X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [161.88.255.240] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 5.2.6) with HTTP id 3087231 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:48:38 -0400 From: marv@lancair.net Subject: Re: [LML] lml / addressed accidents- Training and Weather To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.2.6 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:48:38 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <21105FE689C16E45BFCD702D4D921DCA06D955@agcsrvr.AGCEngineering.com> References: <21105FE689C16E45BFCD702D4D921DCA06D955@agcsrvr.AGCEngineering.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for "John C. Bohn" : I've been reading about the comments regarding accident levels...I agree with more training but I'd like to think that most every serious Lancair pilot should have intense initial training especially in slow flight with an experienced instructor, at safe altitudes, to get a feel for the airplane when you ad power etc etc....and have the instructor yell at you like Charlie Kohler did (thanks Charlie) when you get the airplane "stupid". Staying out of "stupid" or understanding what "stupid" is is only going to help. Additionally, I'd like to think that all pilots should be almost experts with weather. I'm learning all the time about fronts, moisture, winds aloft etc. etc....Since purchasing my 4P in Feb I've got over 200 hours and EVERY FLIGHT is filed IFR and since purchasing XM sat subscription I wouldn't think of flying without it EVER. I strongly recommend all of us get it. Since I'm able to fly higher it brings a new (mostly good) set of tools to work with but also a new set of rules about staying out of "stupid". I remember some training years ago from an ex fighter pilot (cleaned chimneys on the side in Seattle if I remember correctly) instructor on weather that has saved my butt more than I can think. Everyone should find someone that understands weather and have them pontificate about certain proposed flights and what the conditions are expected. A good "what are you looking for to plan this trip and why"...a good example of someone who knows weather is Tom Skilling on WGN weather. This guy isn't a David Letterman weather guy Tom Skilling really understands and explains what's happening and what will happen....if you get a chance watch him on WGN....or see the attached link. Hey, don't use him as your briefing guys I'm just trying to convey the type of understanding of weather we should all have (why would I think anyone would plan a trip on the TV....dah if you're one of those pilots your name is next on accident list!!!!!!) http://wgntv.trb.com/news/weather/wgn-weather-tom-skilling-before-the-fo recast,0,6735707.htmlstory It was also brought up a while ago about strakes on the 4P...I'm considering having these installed as I can really tell the difference between my 320 and 4P i.e. how quick the airplane can get uncoordinated when turning or adding power....I'm convinced this is more serious design issue than most people realize.....anything I can do to get this plane more stable in slow(er) flight i.e. 130 kts and below is worth serious consideration. Anyone who has installed strakes or extended vertical fins, please discuss the handling differences in detail....and share the size etc... Great comments guys keep it coming. I've spent over 800 hours in VFR Lancair 320 and over 200 IFR in 4P over 2000 total. John C. Bohn- Farmington, MO johnb@AGCHeatTransfer.com 4P- N28487 Direct (Cell)- 503-887-2933 __