X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:02:50 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smwireless.net ([216.215.54.194] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTP id 3085415 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:22:30 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.215.54.194; envelope-from=reddog@smwireless.net Received: from VALUEDE91AB895 ([10.0.9.15]) by smwireless.net (smwireless.net) (MDaemon PRO v9.6.6) with ESMTP id md50002034992.msg for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:16:07 -0700 X-Spam-Processed: smwireless.net, Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:16:07 -0700 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-MDRemoteIP: 10.0.9.15 X-Return-Path: reddog@smwireless.net X-Envelope-From: reddog@smwireless.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: lml@lancaironline.net From: "Bill Maddox" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: lml / addressed accidents X-Original-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:21:46 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <002001c902e9$39a770c0$0f09000a@VALUEDE91AB895> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C902AE.8D4898C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckC6TkfHmX8TABgSZ66OC86CgG2HA== X-MDAV-Processed: smwireless.net, Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:16:08 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C902AE.8D4898C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes we need training and the training we now have is eyewash according to some . Doesn't seem to be any mandatory skill levels on flying instruction taken and no failed rides like a check ride in the insurance program . Several that I talked to after taking the insurance course think it is just eyewash. No test no real flight training with a pass or fail no real high altitude class work on weather , winds and center communications instructions . If you think about the radar issue there aren't many planes that fly above 20k without it and the weather charts instruction for all pilots needs to be addressed. I don't know the % but most of the pilots I'm guessing don't even actually look at winds aloft charts and high altitude charts that show weather movement across there intended flight path. Most of this is a phone conversation and maybe a computer look at present weather. A lack of weather training at altitudes we fly is needed. It has always been an issue that some pilots know of bad weather but have that I got to get there program and think being fast makes up for being stupid . I'm really at a loss to why more haven't written about there thoughts covering my accidents piece. Jeff had some thoughts and Russell explaining his problems getting instruction btw [what was the mechanical with 99L] you didn't say Russell Lancair doesn't want to restrict pilots for lack of flight skills for it will lose sales . It is like back when I trained out of San Jose , Ca in the early 70's there was a person looking for a 421 and our sales at the fbo turned him down after he presented a new private pilots license and only 70 hours and wanted the plane so he could fly it now without any instruction . Well 2 weeks went by and a news bulletin on tv had this plane a 421 totally smashed on a hill in the Tahoe crater area with 3 people dead and the names were this guy and his friends , no instructor aboard . No multi- license no instrument training other than the private basic . He found a sales office in the bay area that sold the plane he wanted and this accident was a lack of training and the willingness to get it . My thoughts are we need better training and more involvement with these issues . hay just my thoughts ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C902AE.8D4898C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes we need training and the training we now have is = eyewash according to some . Doesn’t seem to be any mandatory skill levels = on flying instruction taken and no failed rides like a check ride in the = insurance program . Several that I talked to after taking the insurance course = think it is just eyewash. No test  no real flight training with a pass or = fail  no real high altitude class work on weather , winds and center = communications instructions . If you think about the radar issue there aren’t = many planes that fly above 20k without it and the weather charts instruction = for all pilots needs to be addressed. I don’t know the % but most of the = pilots I’m guessing don’t even actually look at winds aloft charts and =  high altitude charts that show weather movement across there intended flight = path. Most of this is a phone conversation and maybe a computer look at present = weather. A lack of weather training at altitudes we fly is needed. =

It has always been an issue that some pilots know of = bad weather but have that I got to get there program and think being fast = makes up for being stupid . I’m really at a loss to why more haven’t = written about there thoughts covering my accidents piece. Jeff had some thoughts = and Russell explaining his problems getting instruction   btw [what was = the mechanical with 99L] you didn’t say Russell

 Lancair doesn’t want to restrict pilots = for lack of flight skills for it will lose sales . It is like back when I trained = out of San Jose , Ca in the early 70’s there was a person looking for a = 421 and our sales at the fbo turned him down after he presented a new private = pilots license and only 70 hours and wanted the plane so he could fly it now without = any instruction   . Well 2 weeks went by and a news bulletin on tv = had this plane a 421 totally smashed on a hill in the Tahoe crater area with = 3 people dead and the names were this guy and his friends , no instructor = aboard . No multi- license no instrument training other than the private basic . = He found a sales office in the bay area that sold the plane he wanted and = this accident was a lack of training and the willingness to get it . My = thoughts are we need better training and more involvement with these issues . hay = just my thoughts   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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