X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:29:55 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.1] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTP id 3075364 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:31:12 -0400 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id q.bd2.2a2f0580 (41811) for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:31:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:31:03 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] taxing Illinois X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1218663063" X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag:NO -------------------------------1218663063 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Terrence, 1. If you bought a kit or "project" out of state, you probably did not pay any sales tax (if you did, save the documentation forever). 2. Illinois gets N number data from the FAA and if you got a number before finishing the kit, the state will request that you pay tax on the project. 3. It is usually beneficial to pay the tax on the unfinished and numbered kit because its value is low. N-numbering a finished project requires that you pay the tax on the value created from all the stuff you put in it and didn't pay such tax - such as out of state purchased items like an engine or avionics panel. Any information given here is more than 5 years old and may not cover your situation since the state has become quite aggressive about tax collection. Good Luck, Grayhawk In a message dated 8/13/2008 1:55:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, troneill@charter.net writes: This is a kind of survey. It is regarding Illinois Dept. of Revenue's apparent attempt to tax KITS long before they become 'aircraft'. Technically, the creation of an 'aircraft', according to the FAA regs I read, occurs when an Airworthiness Inspection Certificate is awarded, making that date the Date of Manufacture... of an 'air craft', where none existed before. Since many, many kits NEVER become 'aircraft', for the IL Dept. of Revenue to apply 'Aircraft Use Tax' to them by pretending the KITS are 'aircraft' seems unfair, especially since if you purchase someone's KIT, the FAA Form 8050-2 Bill of Sale is required by the FAA to be modified by crossing out the word 'AIRCRAFT" and printing above/below it the word KIT ... because it is not an aircraft. The confusion in my case (1985 kit) stems partly from the old FAA practice of letting hopeful builders request an N-number (like, more than 15 years ago) even before a project was started or a kit started. Further confusion was introduced later when the FAA began requiring KIT manufactures to apply N-numbers to sold KITS! Logically, the Numbers are really issued to persons, and N-numbers are now being referenced to some project or KIT, until a project passes an Airworthiness Inspection and its builder/Manufacturer gets its Airworthiness certificate. I'd be interested to hear the experience of anyother Illinoisan's experience buying someone's pre-numbered kit. Terrence L235/320 N211AL **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) -------------------------------1218663063 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Terrence,
 
1. If you bought a kit or "project" out of state, you probably did not=20= pay=20 any sales tax (if you did, save the documentation forever).
 
2. Illinois gets N number data from the FAA and if you got a number bef= ore=20 finishing the kit, the state will request that you pay tax on the project.
 
3. It is usually beneficial to pay the tax on the unfinished and number= ed=20 kit because its value is low.  N-numbering a finished project requires=20= that=20 you pay the tax on the value created from all the stuff you put in it a= nd=20 didn't pay such tax - such as out of state purchased items like an engi= ne=20 or avionics panel.
 
Any information given here is more than 5 years old and may not cover y= our=20 situation since the state has become quite aggressive about tax=20 collection.
 
Good Luck,
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 8/13/2008 1:55:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 troneill@charter.net writes:
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This is a kind of=20 survey.
It is regarding=20= Illinois=20 Dept. of Revenue's apparent attempt to tax KITS long before they become=20 'aircraft'.  Technically, the creation of an 'aircraft', according=20 to the FAA regs I read, occurs when an Airworthiness Inspection=20 Certificate is awarded, making that date the Date of Manufacture... of an=20 'aircraft', where none existed before. 
 
Since many, many kits= NEVER=20 become 'aircraft', for the IL Dept. of Revenue to apply 'Aircraft Use= =20 Tax' to them by pretending the KITS are 'aircraft' seems unfair,=20 especially since if you purchase someone's KIT, the FAA Form 8050-2=20 Bill of Sale is required by the FAA to be modified by crossing out th= e=20 word 'AIRCRAFT" and printing above/below it the word KIT ... because it is= not=20 an aircraft.
 
The confusion in my c= ase=20 (1985 kit) stems partly from the old FAA practice of letting hopeful build= ers=20 request an N-number (like, more than 15 years ago) even before a proj= ect=20 was started or a kit started. Further confusion was introduced later when=20= the=20 FAA began requiring KIT manufactures to apply N-numbers to sold=20 KITS!
Logically, the Number= s =20 are  really issued to persons, and N-numbers are now being referenced= to=20 some project or KIT, until a project passes an Airworthiness Inspection an= d=20 its builder/Manufacturer gets its Airworthiness certificate.
 
I'd be interested to=20= hear the=20 experience of anyother Illinoisan's experience buying someone's pre-number= ed=20 kit.
Terrence
L235/320 N211AL
 
 




Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your= budget? Read reviews on A= OL Autos.
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