X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:06:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.4] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.2) with ESMTP id 2874622 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:31:48 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.4; envelope-from=PTACKABURY@aol.com Received: from PTACKABURY@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id q.ce0.2b5fb317 (30737) for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:31:05 -0400 (EDT) From: PTACKABURY@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:31:04 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Lightspeed Plasma III in Performance Engine X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1209335464" X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1209335464 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John: I wonder if you are bored and want to instigate a flame throwing match on LML to fill your empty hours as this subject has been batted about with varying degrees of acrimony for most of the eight years I have been monitoring the list. HOWEVER on the off chance you have missed all that I will offer some brief observations, all of which I have shared previously. 1. I have a Performance Engine TSIO-550 with dual Light Speed Engineering Plasma III electronic ignition systems built by Klaus and installed by Ron Monson. I have 17 mos and 181 hours on my LIV and the engine has run flawlessly since day one. 2. I have an 0-320 powered LongEZ, built by Ly-Con, with one LSE electronic ignition system and one Mag that has been flying in that configuration for about 15 years and 800 hours. The only engine problems related to ignition I have experienced have been two mag failures. 3. If you are interested in an all electric airplane the most important part of the design is the electric power production and distribution system. Bob Nuckolls and Bill Bandbridge are the go to guys for the right way to set up those systems. 4. I know of no incidence of Plasma III fratricide, but I do know of several incidences of all electronic ignition failures due to power distribution problems, most caused by poor design and installation practices. Lastly I would be very interested to examine the data that led you to opine: I am told that the cause of the accident was sudden engine stoppage and evidence points to failure of one of the redundant EI systems, the failure of which may have brought on the failure of the second. "I am told" is a rather weak observation, not even equal to an antidote so you might consider offering more information with specifics as you are requesting of us--otherwise this inquiry seem to be nothing more than another chapter in the tiresome blame the electronic ignition first mindset. paul, N94PT In a message dated 4/27/2008 1:33:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 2thman@cablespeed.com writes: Does anyone have data or anecdotal information on problems with Plasma III EI system? A recent accident in California involving off airport landing of a IVP has brought up concerns in my mind. I have a Performance Engines TSIO 550 with the Plasma III ignition (not flying yet) and so did the referenced aircraft. . I'd like to know if anyone has data on the Plasma III. I'm also interested in anecdotal accounts positive or negative that might help allay concerns or lead to solutions of problems with the system. Has anyone used a single Plasma III and a magneto backup with a TSIO 550? Regards, John Barrett, CEO Leading Edge Composites PO Box 428 Port Hadlock, WA 98339 www.carbinge.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1398 - Release Date: 4/25/2008 2:31 PM -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------------------------1209335464 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John:  I wonder if you are bored and want to instigate a flame=20 throwing match on LML to fill your empty hours as this subject has been batt= ed=20 about with varying degrees of acrimony for most of the eight years I have be= en=20 monitoring the list.  HOWEVER on the off chance you have missed all tha= t I=20 will offer some brief observations, all of which I have shared previously.
1.  I have a Performance Engine TSIO-550 with dual Light Speed=20 Engineering Plasma III electronic ignition systems built by Klaus and instal= led=20 by Ron Monson.  I have 17 mos and 181 hours on my LIV and the engine ha= s=20 run flawlessly since day one.
2.  I have an 0-320 powered LongEZ, built by Ly-Con, with one LSE=20 electronic ignition system and one Mag that has been flying in that=20 configuration for about 15 years and 800 hours.  The only engine proble= ms=20 related to ignition I have experienced have been two mag failures.
3.  If you are interested in an all electric airplane the most=20 important part of the design is the electric power production and distributi= on=20 system.  Bob Nuckolls and Bill Bandbridge are the go to guys for the ri= ght=20 way to set up those systems.
4.  I know of no incidence of Plasma III fratricide, but I do know= of=20 several incidences of all electronic ignition failures due to power distribu= tion=20 problems, most caused by poor design and installation practices.
Lastly I would be very interested to examine the data that led you to=20 opine:
 
I am told that the cause of the accident was sudden engine
stoppage=20= and=20 evidence points to failure of one of the redundant EI systems,
the failur= e of=20 which may have brought on the failure of the second.
 
"I am told" is a rather weak observation, not even equal to an antidote= so=20 you might consider offering more information with specifics as you are=20 requesting of us--otherwise this inquiry seem to be nothing more than anothe= r=20 chapter in the tiresome blame the electronic ignition first mindset.
 
paul, N94PT
 
In a message dated 4/27/2008 1:33:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,=20 2thman@cablespeed.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Does=20 anyone have data or anecdotal information on problems with Plasma III
E= I=20 system?  A recent accident in California involving off airport landin= g=20 of
a IVP has brought up concerns in my mind.  I have a Performance= =20 Engines TSIO
550 with the Plasma III ignition (not flying yet) and so d= id=20 the referenced
aircraft.  .

I'd like to know if anyone has= =20 data on the Plasma III.  I'm also interested
in anecdotal accounts= =20 positive or negative that might help allay concerns or
lead to solution= s of=20 problems with the system. 

Has anyone used a single Plasma II= I=20 and a magneto backup with a TSIO 550?

Regards,

John Barrett,= =20 CEO
Leading Edge Composites
PO Box 428
Port Hadlock, WA=20 98339
www.carbinge.com
 



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