Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #47040
From: terrence o'neill <troneill@charter.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Window Strength
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:46:26 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Amen, Brent.
Strength is only half of it; stiffness i.e. torsional or bending frequency tuning is probably more important... especially balance of the control surfaces. Sympathetic vibration at some (unmeasured) frequency, which one does not want to match some energy input from engine torsional pulses, or airlow pulses from prop blade, etc.
I had an interesting conversation with the survivor of a flutter (unbalanced but irreversible horizontal tail) failure at about 500 mph and going up through 100 ft. (one hundred feet) altitude.  Like, hummmmmm-BAM. His black XP-89's tail came off at the star, his ejection seat failed to fire, Gs locking him down, then one wing snapped off and spun the fuselage throwing him out. His guardian angel smiled a second time causing the 600 ft/sec airflow to rip open his chute before he could pull the ripcord, blowing out two panels... so he could land in a lone peach tree in Hawthorne, CA, thence to the hospital for dislocated shoulder, leg, broken pelvis, etc.
The pitch control was irrevesible, but the hydraulic lines back to the actuators could flex a little. Flex, as in vibrate....
Terrence
N211AL L235/320 
 
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Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 09:52 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Window Strength

"I am sure 8' deep girders will be sufficient." Leon Moisseiff, Chief Engineer, Tacoma Narrows Bridge

"If you cant find 20' lengths of All-Thread then substitute two 10' lengths"  Jack D. Gillum,  Hayatt Regency hotel "Tea Dance" walkway designer.

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Sure, it's a little stronger with the window bonded in, but that small amount of extra strength is not required.  The fuselage is strong enough even with the big hole in it." Rob Wolf

Rob is correct that the static strength of the fuselage is determined without the windows BUT the windows do have significant "in plane" (npi) shear strength which will have an effect on the torsional stiffness of the fuselage. This, in turn, effects the natural frequency of the empennage. Making the fuselage less stiff by decoupling the window reduces the empennage flutter margin. Only analysis and testing will tell us by how much. Pushing the aircraft faster with bigger engines and making the fuselage less stiff  will eventually result in structural failure. I know of at least one IV -P that disintegrated in a 0.63 Mach dive.

Rob may be correct that the structural effects are negligible but his confidence is unsupported by analysis or testing. I doubt he has the factory's agreement on this matter.

Prudence, and experience, dictates a less cavalier approach to structural modifications.

Regards
Brent Regan
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