X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:15:18 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2490670 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:37:32 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.2; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id q.c17.244b0f7c (34933) for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-D36 (fwm-d36.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.12]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA046-8875473cf4321ee; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:36:50 -0500 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LIVP Broken Handle - Help X-Original-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:36:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C9F6084B51B7AB_AE4_1173F_FWM-D36.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 31361-STANDARD Received: from 69.145.31.66 by FWM-D36.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.12) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:36:50 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8C9F6084B51B7AB-AE4-89A7@FWM-D36.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.12 X-Spam-Flag: NO ----------MB_8C9F6084B51B7AB_AE4_1173F_FWM-D36.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Randy, I would be interested in such a tool. Jeff Edwards -----Original Message----- From: Randy L. Hartman, Jr. To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 6:57 pm Subject: [LML] Re: LIVP Broken Handle - Help Thanks to all who have posted to the LML, responded directly to me, or calle= d about a possible way to get into the LIVP after the screw sheared and the=20= handle was pulled out. =C2=A0 On Monday morning I had an idea I thought would work, made a sketch of it, a= nd took it to a local machine shop to have it made. =C2=A0In less than an ho= ur I had the custom tool in my hand to take back to my shop to try out on th= e LIVP there before venturing to Chicago for the real test. =C2=A0The first=20= version was a little weak and bent slightly so I went back to the machine sh= op for Rev A =E2=80=93 making it a little beefier. =C2=A0The attached pictur= es show what I ended up with. =C2=A0 One picture shows the individual parts and the other shows how they assemble= inside the handle cylinder (escutcheon =E2=80=93 sp?) that is bonded to the= door. =C2=A0The challenge is to engage the door actuating cylinder slot thr= ough the slot in the escutcheon.=C2=A0 So, you insert the part with the .125= diameter pin on it into the escutcheon and line the pin up with the slots.=20= =C2=A0Next you slip in the rest of the tube and the rod and line them up wit= h the AN 3 bolt. =C2=A0Then I took a pair of vice grips and clamped around t= hese parts sticking out the door and twisted until the latch released. =C2=A0 I jumped in the L360 and in less than an hour I was on the ramp in Chicago i= n front of N654P to try to get in. =C2=A0The tool worked perfectly.=C2=A0 Fi= rst try =E2=80=93 15 seconds and the front latch was open. =C2=A0Unfortunate= ly the aft handle had been over-torqued also and the #6 screw had sheared of= f at a level inside the escutcheon.=C2=A0 It took about 10 minutes to work t= he handle and shaft out of the door.=C2=A0 Once we had the handle out the to= ol worked again in the same 15 seconds.=C2=A0 I departed Cedar Rapids, IA at= 3:00 PM, made the trip to Chicago, fixed the handle, and was back home at 5= :30 PM. =C2=A0(I love fast airplanes.) =C2=A0 After hearing from many of you I believe this is a problem with the door des= ign. =C2=A0In my opinion the screw should be at least a #8.=C2=A0 For those=20= of you who mentioned that you did size up to #8, were the slots large enough= for the #8 or did you have the file or machine then wider?=C2=A0 I also bel= ieve the allen head cap screw used is not of the highest quality metal and i= s prone to shear easier. =C2=A0 I am thinking of having some of these tools made up at the machine shop if a= nyone is interested. =C2=A0I have asked the machine shop owner to give me a=20= quote for 20 to 50 of them. =C2=A0I will post the price when I get it.=C2= =A0 I have also asked the machine shop owner to incorporate a tee handle whe= re the AN 3 bolt goes through so the vice grips can be eliminated. =C2=A0Thi= s tool can then be stored in the wheel well somewhere so it can be accessed=20= from outside the cockpit when it is needed the most =E2=80=93 on a trip and=20= you are locked out of your airplane. =C2=A0 Thanks again to all those that made contributions.=C2=A0 This is a great com= munity. =C2=A0 Randy Hartman Alpha Omega Aircrafters -- or archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html [Image Removed]=20 [Image Removed]=20 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. 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Randy,
 
I would be interested in such a tool.
 
Jeff Edwards


-----Original Message-----
From: Randy L. Hartman, Jr. <randy@aoaircrafters.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 6:57 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: LIVP Broken Handle - Help

Thanks to all who have posted to the LML, respond= ed directly to me, or called about a possible way to get into the LIVP after= the screw sheared and the handle was pulled out.
 
On Monday morning I had an idea I thought would w= ork, made a sketch of it, and took it to a local machine shop to have it mad= e.  In less than an hour I had the custom tool in my hand to take back=20= to my shop to try out on the LIVP there before venturing to Chicago for the=20= real test.  The first version was a little weak and bent slightly so I=20= went back to the machine shop for Rev A =E2=80=93 making it a little beefier= .  The attached pictures show what I ended up with.
 
One picture shows the individual parts and the ot= her shows how they assemble inside the handle cylinder (escutcheon =E2=80= =93 sp?) that is bonded to the door.  The challenge is to engage the do= or actuating cylinder slot through the slot in the escutcheon.  So, you= insert the part with the .125 diameter pin on it into the escutcheon and li= ne the pin up with the slots.  Next you slip in the rest of the tube an= d the rod and line them up with the AN 3 bolt.  Then I took a pair of v= ice grips and clamped around these parts sticking out the door and twisted u= ntil the latch released.
 
I jumped in the L360 and in less than an hour I w= as on the ramp in Chicago in front of N654P to try to get in.  The tool= worked perfectly.  First try =E2=80=93 15 seconds and the front latch=20= was open.  Unfortunately the aft handle had been over-torqued also and=20= the #6 screw had sheared off at a level inside the escutcheon.  It took= about 10 minutes to work the handle and shaft out of the door.  Once w= e had the handle out the tool worked again in the same 15 seconds.  I d= eparted Cedar Rapids, IA at 3:00 PM, made the trip to Chicago, fixed the han= dle, and was back home at 5:30 PM.  (I love fast airplanes.)
 
After hearing from many of you I believe this is=20= a problem with the door design.  In my opinion the screw should be at l= east a #8.  For those of you who mentioned that you did size up to #8,=20= were the slots large enough for the #8 or did you have the file or machine t= hen wider?  I also believe the allen head cap screw used is not of the=20= highest quality metal and is prone to shear easier.
 
I am thinking of having some of these tools made=20= up at the machine shop if anyone is interested.  I have asked the machi= ne shop owner to give me a quote for 20 to 50 of them.  I will post the= price when I get it.  I have also asked the machine shop owner to inco= rporate a tee handle where the AN 3 bolt goes through so the vice grips can=20= be eliminated.  This tool can then be stored in the wheel well somewher= e so it can be accessed from outside the cockpit when it is needed the most=20= =E2=80=93 on a trip and you are locked out of your airplane.
 
Thanks again to all those that made contributions= .  This is a great community.
 
Randy Hartman
Alpha Omega Aircrafters

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