Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:57:36 -0500
Message-ID: <redirect-2490588@logan.com>
Received-SPF: none
 receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.64; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net
From: "John Hafen" <j.hafen@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] Sam Alert!
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To: <list-2472781@logan.com>

Jim:  I had the same exact spam guy trying to buy my Cessna T210.  I =
called
the FBI.  They told me to go to the web site below for the "Internet =
Crime
Complaint Center."

http://ic3.gov/

This is an international 24x7 business that is so out of control that =
the
feds haven't the resources to even begin to hack away at it.  It happens
with cars and boats and planes, large household appliances, whatever.

The common thread to all the scams is that you have to send money to =
some
kind of shipping company.  Granted, the "buyer" send you a bogus =
cashiers
check so you feel good about sending $5k or $10k to some kind of =
handling
company, then their cashiers check is no good and you are out the =
shipping
fee.  Then you never hear from anyone again.

I filed a complaint on the web site above just to give the FBI any =
possible
additional information that could help them get their hands around the
throats of these guys.  I know people who have lost money trying to sell
boats (I live in Seattle) in this exact scam.  If you think about it, =
they
can try to scam hundreds of people a day, and if they knock off one or =
two a
day, they can make some serious cash.

Hope this helps.

John Hafen
IVP N413AJ
Currently receiving paint at the skilled hands of Tom Connors in Bend.
Hope to be flying shortly after the first of the new year.


-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of =
Jim
Cameron
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:38 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Sam Alert!

    As some of you may know, I have my Legacy up for sale.  The internet =

ad appeared about a week or ten days ago, and the print edition is=20
probably hitting mailboxes about now.  I've had the most peculiar e-mail =

correspondence over the plane, and wondered if anyone else has had=20
similar experience.
    The e-mails came from a man who did not identify himself as to state =

or country.  The English was fractured, in an odd way, and one of the=20
e-mails had a quickie ad from an ISP in Spanish across the bottom.  At=20
various times he referred to himself as attending a WHO conference in=20
the U.K., or an official about to be transferred to "western Europe." =20
In another e-mail he alluded to shipping the plane to Greece.  Anyway,=20
he said he wanted to buy the plane as a birthday present for his wife=20
(!);  He didn't want to inspect it personally, and declined to designate =

anyone else to do so.  He inquired in various ways about information for =

wire transfer payment.  Later, he tried to outline some sort of payment=20
scheme that involved sending me an odd amount, about 60% of my asking=20
price, then having me keep 20% and transfer the rest to some "shipping=20
company."  The rest of the payment would come later.
    All this lacked was some reference to moving money out of Nigeria. =20
I can't put a finger on exactly what sort of scam was going to be=20
involved, but it smelled really bad.  Was he just "phishing," trying to=20
get my bank info?  Or maybe laundering money by having me pass it=20
through to someone?
    Finally, I sent him an e-mail explaining how it was going to work: =20
He had to inspect the airplane and all the documents, or delegate=20
someone to do it.  I would require full payment by cashier's check prior =

to signing over the airplane.  I suggested he might want to use AOPA's=20
escrow service.  Never heard from him again.

    Today, I'm wondering if I have another one starting up.  I got an=20
e-mail from someone with slightly fractured grammar, saying he needed a=20
"private seller."  Can anyone think of a legitimate reason why one would =

need to buy an airplane from a "private seller?"  Does he mean a dumb=20
seller?

    As a late, good friend of mine used to say, I may have been born at=20
night, but not last night.

Jim Cameron
Boerne, TX
Legacy N132X

--
For archives and unsub =
http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html