X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:02:56 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.65] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2468374 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:42:24 -0500 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.65; envelope-from=mnewman@dragonnorth.com Received: from [70.91.142.49] (helo=PCmike2) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IrhyT-0003oI-RE; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:41:46 -0500 From: "Michael Newman" X-Original-To: "'Randy L. Hartman, Jr.'" , References: Subject: RE: LIVP Broken Handle - Help X-Original-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:42:24 -0500 Organization: Dragonnorth Group X-Original-Message-ID: <0f5101c8257d$4bf73110$0601a8c0@sentira.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0F52_01C82553.63212910" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcglG73I26UHKI+CRwePsFvjW33cLAAYJo7w In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: 4981850a937e3365551c28c27865cf0a239a348a220c26097d25a3f582c57a4e036e784d35cd3771666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 70.91.142.49 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0F52_01C82553.63212910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to be so late with this suggestion. If this problem still exists and you are unable to open the door from the outside I'd like to point out that it is much easier to patch a hole in the fiberglass than one in the window. The glass patch is a couple of hours work as compared to replacing the window... If I had this problem I would go in below the aft window with a hole just large enough for my arm and simply open the door normally. You can also consider going through the baggage area and aft seat back and then using a pole with a hook to actuate the handles. The 1 inch hole for this should be trivial to patch. In fact if I were building a new kit I might put a small plate over a pre cut hole to make this task easy. _____ From: Randy L. Hartman, Jr. [mailto:randy@aoaircrafters.com] Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:38 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: LIVP Broken Handle - Help LML Brain Trust, In order to fully understand this request you should look at the attached picture. Here is the situation: Friday afternoon I (Randy Hartman - Alpha Omega Aircrafters - KCID) received a call from the owner (Stan Askren) of the LIVP (N654P) that this door handle belongs to. He tells me he is in Chicago (KDPA) with his airplane and he is locked out. The forward handle (in the attached picture) pulled out of the door when he was trying to open the door. The roll pin appears to be sheared off. We called Lancair and talked to Ross. Ross indicated we need to stick something in the hole and try to turn the mechanism but he said he hadn't ever heard of this happening before. He said if we couldn't get that to work we would need to cut the window. Well, I guess you can imagine that the window cutting seems too far out to accept at this time. What I am looking for is anyone who may have been faced with this in the past and what you did about it. Secondly, if no one has experienced this, does anyone have any good ideas on how to approach this challenge of getting into the airplane without cutting the window? I have another LIVP in my shop that I will take a good look at tomorrow and try to figure something out, even to the point of making (or having a tool maker make) a special tool that could do the job. This challenge is further complicated by the distance between me and the airplane - 155 miles. I can fly over there in my L360 in 50 minutes but I would like to go well-prepared with a pretty good chance of success on the first visit. So, I am looking to the great brain trust of the LML for assistance with ideas or warnings as part of my planning to get into this airplane successfully. Stan tells me that he thinks the aft handle may be broken also so I should be prepared for that possibility. He suspects some tampering by someone not familiar with the opening procedure of the LIVP door handles. Thanks in advance with any and all ideas. Randy Hartman Alpha Omega Aircrafters (319) 360-9775 ------=_NextPart_000_0F52_01C82553.63212910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry to be so late with this suggestion.
 
If this problem still exists and you are unable to open the = door from the=20 outside I'd like to point out that it is much easier to patch a hole in = the=20 fiberglass than one in the window. The glass patch is a couple of hours = work as=20 compared to replacing the window...
 
If I had this problem I would go in below the aft window with a = hole just=20 large enough for my arm and simply open the door = normally.
 
You can also consider going through the baggage area = and aft seat=20 back and then using a pole with a hook to actuate the handles. The 1 = inch hole=20 for this should be trivial to patch. In fact if I were building a new = kit I=20 might put a small plate over a pre cut hole to make this task=20 easy.

From: Randy L. Hartman, Jr.=20 [mailto:randy@aoaircrafters.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 11, = 2007=20 10:38 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: LIVP = Broken=20 Handle - Help

LML Brain=20 Trust,

 

In order to fully = understand this=20 request you should look at the attached = picture.

Here is the = situation:  Friday=20 afternoon I (Randy Hartman – Alpha Omega Aircrafters – KCID) = received a call=20 from the owner (Stan Askren) of the LIVP (N654P) that this door handle = belongs=20 to.  He tells me he is in Chicago (KDPA) with his airplane and he = is locked=20 out.  The forward handle (in the attached picture) pulled out of = the door=20 when he was trying to open the door.  The roll pin appears to be = sheared=20 off.  We called Lancair and talked to Ross.  Ross indicated we = need to=20 stick something in the hole and try to turn the mechanism but he said he = hadn’t=20 ever heard of this happening before.  He said if we couldn’t = get that to=20 work we would need to cut the window.  Well, I guess you can = imagine that=20 the window cutting seems too far out to accept at this=20 time.

 

What I am looking for is = anyone who=20 may have been faced with this in the past and what you did about = it. =20 Secondly, if no one has experienced this, does anyone have any good = ideas on how=20 to approach this challenge of getting into the airplane without cutting = the=20 window?

 

I have another LIVP in my = shop that=20 I will take a good look at tomorrow and try to figure something out, = even to the=20 point of making (or having a tool maker make) a special tool that could = do the=20 job.  This challenge is further complicated by the distance between = me and=20 the airplane – 155 miles.  I can fly over there in my L360 in = 50 minutes=20 but I would like to go well-prepared with a pretty good chance of = success on the=20 first visit.  So, I am looking to the great brain trust of the LML = for=20 assistance with ideas or warnings as part of my planning to get into = this=20 airplane successfully.

 

Stan tells me that he = thinks the aft=20 handle may be = broken also=20 so I should be prepared for that possibility.  He suspects some = tampering=20 by someone not familiar with the opening procedure of the LIVP door=20 handles.

 

Thanks in advance with any = and all=20 ideas.

 

Randy=20 Hartman

Alpha Omega=20 Aircrafters

(319)=20 360-9775

 

 

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