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Subject: RE: [LML] LIVP Broken Handle - Help
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:08:56 -0500
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Randy

I have had a similar situation, albeit just the aft latch.  I was able to drill a hole through the seat bottom via the gear well and bend a 3/8” rod to fit, pushing the seat off and then angling to the interior handles and unlatching by catching the handle in the lightening holes.  Patching the seat pan was a simple task and off we went.  Sounds simple but it did take some time because I had a second person directing the rod by watching what was happening inside as I worked the rod from the bottom.  The coordination took some effort but we finally managed to get it done. 

 

I think my problem was the result of someone attempting to push the handle beyond the locking stop and actually burnishing the locking tang to the stop.  Couldn’t budge it from outside but the inside handle opened easily.  If both handles are locked down you may have the additional issue of having to move then in opposite directions.  The handle that is completely out should allow you to use a extractor tool (screw extractor) to turn the inside handle but this will likely ruin the inside for the o-ring seats and require replacing. 

 

Good Luck

Pat Brunner

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Randy L. Hartman, Jr.
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:38 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] LIVP Broken Handle - Help

 

LML Brain Trust,

 

In order to fully understand this request you should look at the attached picture.

Here is the situation:  Friday afternoon I (Randy Hartman – Alpha Omega Aircrafters – KCID) received a call from the owner (Stan Askren) of the LIVP (N654P) that this door handle belongs to.  He tells me he is in Chicago (KDPA) with his airplane and he is locked out.  The forward handle (in the attached picture) pulled out of the door when he was trying to open the door.  The roll pin appears to be sheared off.  We called Lancair and talked to Ross.  Ross indicated we need to stick something in the hole and try to turn the mechanism but he said he hadn’t ever heard of this happening before.  He said if we couldn’t get that to work we would need to cut the window.  Well, I guess you can imagine that the window cutting seems too far out to accept at this time.

 

What I am looking for is anyone who may have been faced with this in the past and what you did about it.  Secondly, if no one has experienced this, does anyone have any good ideas on how to approach this challenge of getting into the airplane without cutting the window?

 

I have another LIVP in my shop that I will take a good look at tomorrow and try to figure something out, even to the point of making (or having a tool maker make) a special tool that could do the job.  This challenge is further complicated by the distance between me and the airplane – 155 miles.  I can fly over there in my L360 in 50 minutes but I would like to go well-prepared with a pretty good chance of success on the first visit.  So, I am looking to the great brain trust of the LML for assistance with ideas or warnings as part of my planning to get into this airplane successfully.

 

Stan tells me that he thinks the aft handle may be broken also so I should be prepared for that possibility.  He suspects some tampering by someone not familiar with the opening procedure of the LIVP door handles.

 

Thanks in advance with any and all ideas.

 

Randy Hartman

Alpha Omega Aircrafters

(319) 360-9775

 

 

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