X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:08:56 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp123.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([69.147.64.96] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with SMTP id 2467645 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:24:40 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.147.64.96; envelope-from=n98pb@sbcglobal.net Received: (qmail 97042 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2007 15:23:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=tVTU9rKMa3+JDGDYT8c/j/rcaFz8I0MaCIuq+NmKpq0rvSx7FL6wnW1efxiozzH7+y4cDE2HCVAYg5ZOy0Vk+yJ6n0Lvihf37ecifWKYVRL3EcXWtYEy62uBVCfuIQH9Igz2uBFvKw3hBrnrxMiMBjibVl6iJl8AfVC49BMOF7M= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Sam) (n98pb@sbcglobal.net@75.32.184.112 with login) by smtp123.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2007 15:23:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YmTtRocVM1nCUomSSoFJ1G7dtffR5jBs67lInqAc9LvrjwVdT9dP0EVG7R9AgaiTNTgTmrv8hg-- From: X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] LIVP Broken Handle - Help X-Original-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:24:16 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <001d01c82540$1996b160$0201a8c0@Sam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C824FD.0B737160" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acgk3ZLXepsK35XQShSakdQKmqqRTAAYAgjA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C824FD.0B737160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Randy I have had a similar situation, albeit just the aft latch. I was able = to drill a hole through the seat bottom via the gear well and bend a 3/8" = rod to fit, pushing the seat off and then angling to the interior handles = and unlatching by catching the handle in the lightening holes. Patching the seat pan was a simple task and off we went. Sounds simple but it did = take some time because I had a second person directing the rod by watching = what was happening inside as I worked the rod from the bottom. The = coordination took some effort but we finally managed to get it done. =20 =20 I think my problem was the result of someone attempting to push the = handle beyond the locking stop and actually burnishing the locking tang to the stop. Couldn't budge it from outside but the inside handle opened = easily. If both handles are locked down you may have the additional issue of = having to move then in opposite directions. The handle that is completely out should allow you to use a extractor tool (screw extractor) to turn the inside handle but this will likely ruin the inside for the o-ring seats = and require replacing. =20 =20 Good Luck Pat Brunner =20 -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Randy L. Hartman, Jr. Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:38 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] LIVP Broken Handle - Help =20 LML Brain Trust, =20 In order to fully understand this request you should look at the = attached picture. Here is the situation: Friday afternoon I (Randy Hartman - Alpha Omega Aircrafters - KCID) received a call from the owner (Stan Askren) of the = LIVP (N654P) that this door handle belongs to. He tells me he is in Chicago (KDPA) with his airplane and he is locked out. The forward handle (in = the attached picture) pulled out of the door when he was trying to open the door. The roll pin appears to be sheared off. We called Lancair and = talked to Ross. Ross indicated we need to stick something in the hole and try = to turn the mechanism but he said he hadn't ever heard of this happening before. He said if we couldn't get that to work we would need to cut = the window. Well, I guess you can imagine that the window cutting seems too = far out to accept at this time. =20 What I am looking for is anyone who may have been faced with this in the past and what you did about it. Secondly, if no one has experienced = this, does anyone have any good ideas on how to approach this challenge of = getting into the airplane without cutting the window? =20 I have another LIVP in my shop that I will take a good look at tomorrow = and try to figure something out, even to the point of making (or having a = tool maker make) a special tool that could do the job. This challenge is = further complicated by the distance between me and the airplane - 155 miles. I = can fly over there in my L360 in 50 minutes but I would like to go = well-prepared with a pretty good chance of success on the first visit. So, I am = looking to the great brain trust of the LML for assistance with ideas or = warnings as part of my planning to get into this airplane successfully. =20 Stan tells me that he thinks the aft handle may be broken also so I = should be prepared for that possibility. He suspects some tampering by someone = not familiar with the opening procedure of the LIVP door handles. =20 Thanks in advance with any and all ideas. =20 Randy Hartman Alpha Omega Aircrafters (319) 360-9775 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C824FD.0B737160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Randy

I have had a similar situation, = albeit just the aft latch.  I was able to drill a hole through the seat = bottom via the gear well and bend a 3/8” rod to fit, pushing the seat off = and then angling to the interior handles and unlatching by catching the = handle in the lightening holes.  Patching the seat pan was a simple task and = off we went.  Sounds simple but it did take some time because I had a = second person directing the rod by watching what was happening inside as I = worked the rod from the bottom.  The coordination took some effort but we = finally managed to get it done. 

 

I think my problem was the result = of someone attempting to push the handle beyond the locking stop and = actually burnishing the locking tang to the stop.  Couldn’t budge it = from outside but the inside handle opened easily.  If both handles are = locked down you may have the additional issue of having to move then in = opposite directions.  The handle that is completely out should allow you to = use a extractor tool (screw extractor) to turn the inside handle but this will likely = ruin the inside for the o-ring seats and require replacing.  =

 

Good Luck

Pat Brunner

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing = List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Randy L. Hartman, Jr.
Sent: Sunday, November = 11, 2007 7:38 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] LIVP = Broken Handle - Help

 

LML Brain = Trust,

 

In order to fully = understand this request you should look at the attached picture.

Here is the = situation:  Friday afternoon I (Randy Hartman – Alpha Omega Aircrafters – KCID) received a call from the owner (Stan Askren) of the LIVP (N654P) that = this door handle belongs to.  He tells me he is in Chicago (KDPA) with his = airplane and he is locked out.  The forward handle (in the attached picture) = pulled out of the door when he was trying to open the door.  The roll pin = appears to be sheared off.  We called Lancair and talked to Ross. =  Ross indicated we need to stick something in the hole and try to turn the = mechanism but he said he hadn’t ever heard of this happening before. =  He said if we couldn’t get that to work we would need to cut the window.  Well, I guess you can imagine that the window cutting seems too = far out to accept at this time.

 

What I am looking for is = anyone who may have been faced with this in the past and what you did about = it.  Secondly, if no one has experienced this, does anyone have any good = ideas on how to approach this challenge of getting into the airplane without = cutting the window?

 

I have another LIVP in my = shop that I will take a good look at tomorrow and try to figure something out, = even to the point of making (or having a tool maker make) a special tool that = could do the job.  This challenge is further complicated by the distance = between me and the airplane – 155 miles.  I can fly over there in my = L360 in 50 minutes but I would like to go well-prepared with a pretty good chance = of success on the first visit.  So, I am looking to the great brain = trust of the LML for assistance with ideas or warnings as part of my planning to = get into this airplane successfully.

 

Stan tells me that he = thinks the aft handle may be = broken also so I should be prepared for that possibility.  He suspects some = tampering by someone not familiar with the opening procedure of the LIVP door = handles.

 

Thanks in advance with any = and all ideas.

 

Randy = Hartman

Alpha Omega = Aircrafters

(319) = 360-9775

 

 

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