X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:29:00 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mtai02.charter.net ([209.225.8.182] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with ESMTP id 2321183 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:25:27 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.225.8.182; envelope-from=LHenney@charter.net Received: from aarprv03.charter.net ([10.20.200.73]) by mtai02.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070909192443.SDZS20157.mtai02.charter.net@aarprv03.charter.net> for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:24:43 -0400 Received: from LHenneyLaptop ([68.116.130.237]) by aarprv03.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070909192442.FACW21339.aarprv03.charter.net@LHenneyLaptop> for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:24:42 -0400 From: "LHenney" X-Original-To: "Lancair List" Subject: FW: [LML] 360 engine baffling installation X-Original-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:24:47 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <012a01c7f317$15fbf660$640fa8c0@LHenneyLaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfzEBnwpROtYzl0TkGH437rIzkqWwAARykg X-Chzlrs: 0 Bob writes; Can you quantify how much the cooling was improved? Did you notice changes in ground cooling, climb, cruise? -bob Bob, My airplane was out of service for over a year during the time which I built the plenum in exchange for the baffles. To begin to think I had repeatable provable data based on converting to the plenum would be only a guess as I mentioned my motivation was more maintainability than temperature reduction. I also sealed the daylights out of the tiny little leak areas with RTV. This may frustrate some maintainers (according to GAMI) but I believe saves a few degrees at Race Power which far outweighs any frustration of my mechanic (me). Todays plenum data is as follows. Ground Cooling - Never look, can't even warm up the CHTs Climb - I climb at 150 kts or above based on over the nose visibility. This provides continuously increasing CHTs from T/O to level off of approximately 300 - 390 F. Cruise - I don't know (approx 350), depending on wallet size. I like to cruise at about 8 gph and 190 kts. And the only data that really matters: Race Power @ Sea Level (twist'm in an break'm off) 31" 2700 rpm 17 gph 380F, oil temp 221F yields 215 kts +/- depending on OAT, humidity, and airspeed instrument trusted most. Sorry I can't be more precise regarding conversion data. On the other hand, if you are asking if converting from baffles to a plenum will save the day in the heating department, I doubt it. Beyond gaping holes in the baffling, my exposure to hot 360's has been problematic in a whole nuther department. That is, many 360's left the cowl inlets at the original 320 factory size (about 3.5"?). This, IMHO, is the bigger CHT cooling limiter (again for the 360s) that I've seen. I have inlets of approximately 4.5" dia. These two inlets feed the cylinders and oil cooler just fine. Two other factors which may influence my CHTS compared to yours are exhaust pipes and lower inner aft baffles. My exhaust pipes after approximately 20 mod/ repairs/ adjustments are exiting at the cowl edge. This lack of protrusion (and downturn) may provide some eduction affect. There is more analysis desired in this department and ongoing plans for a formal augmentor. Much SS has been added for heat protection. The Lower Inner Aft Baffle is a 3 part sheet guiding all cooling air smoothly toward the exits. This is believed to be an eddy current reducer that may or may not help my CHTs (it also acts as a heat shield for gascolator, fuel pump, battery, and other firewall components). Of course it too has maintainer challenges such as exhaust pipe hanger through holes. Hope this helps. Larry > On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 13:00:00 -0400, LHenney wrote > I built my baffles twice before shifting to a cooling plenum > (duct) out of frustration with that contact damage. In addition > to better cooling ( big factor!), the plenum allowed rounded > edges, smoother contact surfaces, and overall less maintenance. > > Larry > N360LH