X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:54:02 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.62] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with ESMTP id 2312522 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:15:29 -0400 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.62; envelope-from=mnewman@dragonnorth.com Received: from [70.91.142.49] (helo=PCmike2) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ISsq6-000291-CA; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:14:30 -0400 From: "Michael Newman" X-Original-To: "'Hamid Wasti'" , "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: <038b01c7eee6$41de1270$0401a8c0@sentira.net> <46DD5660.7090809@lm50.com> Subject: RE: [LML] Density Altitude Crash X-Original-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:14:54 -0400 Organization: Dragonnorth Group X-Original-Message-ID: <048f01c7efae$0220a3f0$0201a8c0@sentira.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <46DD5660.7090809@lm50.com> thread-index: Acfu80hA9yoTuQkSSMCrQvq6rncjGQAuAXwg X-ELNK-Trace: 4981850a937e3365551c28c27865cf0a239a348a220c260931b9038f9c95773ce50340967af9b015350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 70.91.142.49 I was referring to the runway length data and gross weight data when I talked about easily available data. 4000 feet is a lot of runway for a Bonanza. Displaced thresholds are not relevant to takeoffs. You are expected to land beyond them and are expected to start the takeoff at the beginning of the runway and to use all of the displaced threshold. Actually I did allow for the tailwind and forgot to mention it. I also used max gross weight of 3600 pounds for the calculation. I suspect the aircraft was several hundred pounds below gross. I can not speak to the slope, but other comments in this thread suggested that the tailwind was accepted to takeoff downhill. That would be normal procedure. My point was that worst case analysis has him clearing a 50 foot obstacle at least 500 feet before the end of the runway when the real obstacle was 500 feet beyond the end of the runway, lots of margin.