X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:36:52 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.226] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with ESMTP id 2311740 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:41:40 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.249.82.226; envelope-from=akadamson@gmail.com Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1764601wxd for ; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:41:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index:in-reply-to:sender; b=ZAWq9mvwJOWQF8/EhGZ+LfkEfNFuhQIxOFryTAyue72jnbG6mARpYWc8UIhvo6FocZZTa+7zA7jVWwYRqCyeOQzNOZokWhf62v3etIhyelv1/2xogl3xXX7Xyv+aJzB1DrJn7f3I79Fhv9jsYF6P+m2Dby7IPem67bpHPuhRu9E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index:in-reply-to:sender; b=VcNQz1DP4P8kHFVsLL+wGEOP4p5RyRwD4h+QHzkKd5VExfwEz/Ck14rYTFKEBqNrbAdt4j0HypYh3qDhsb8TjoGVGbRaUIh3AEq6IAFBrNtUuErYtg+EKezwFprVAwfkFgu11A/4xKzSVZSzRGq70Wu0u/268A/wip9SWtQXTBs= Received: by 10.70.29.7 with SMTP id c7mr10592104wxc.1188949263811; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:41:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from Typhoon ( [76.97.33.144]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm4643962wra.2007.09.04.16.41.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:41:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Alan Adamson" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: Subject: RE: [LML] Carbon Fiber Flox X-Original-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:41:01 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <00ed01c7ef4d$0db4a010$0202fea9@highrf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EE_01C7EF2B.86A30010" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfvSDF45Ofo36nGT/SQUo3aCVHMZgAA+1ug In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: Alan Adamson This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EE_01C7EF2B.86A30010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clark, I'm curious of a couple of things. Are there now 3 RG kits? - The standard one that is carbon on the outside skins, but the main spars and inside components are eglass (spar caps are still carbon) - The carbon upgraded one for 9K - were you get what in carbon? I'm going to assume the parts that are to be bonded in during the build. this would include the center console? The load pads? the rear tunnel? I'm also going to assume that the rear seatbacks, and bulkheads (firewall, etc) are still eglass? - Then the version that is *all* carbon, this includes all the spars, ribs, bulkheads, etc plus the items above and they usually do the "reno wrap" on this one (an extra wrap from the rear windows to the tail of 1 or 2 bids), and last I heard, it's *way* more than 9K work of upgrade costs and probably a significant lead time. As an aside, you can get milled carbon, but I suspect it's wickedly expensive and I have no idea if it's as structural as flox. If you are doing for weight reduction for as much flox as you'll use, I doubt it's significant. Just curious. Alan _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Clark Baker Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:06 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Carbon Fiber Flox I will soon be starting my all carbon Legacy RG kit. After spending an extra $9k to have all the components made in carbon fiber (the standard Legacy RG kit has a material amount of e-glass), I started wondering if there was a carbon fiber equivalent for the traditional flox (milled cotton). There is a not insignificant amount of heavy flox in our aircraft. Has anyone used a carbon fiber flox and have any comments, or know of any suppliers? Regards, Clark Baker LNC2 360, 775hrs ------=_NextPart_000_00EE_01C7EF2B.86A30010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Clark, I'm curious of a couple of=20 things.
 
Are there now 3 RG kits?
 
- The standard one that is carbon on the = outside skins, but=20 the main spars and inside components are eglass (spar caps are still=20 carbon)
- The carbon upgraded one for 9K - were you get = what in=20 carbon?  I'm going to assume the parts that are to be bonded in = during the=20 build. this would include the center console? The load pads? the rear=20 tunnel?  I'm also going to assume that the rear seatbacks, and = bulkheads=20 (firewall, etc) are still eglass?
- Then the version that is *all* carbon, this = includes all=20 the spars, ribs, bulkheads, etc plus the items above and they usually do = the=20 "reno wrap" on this one (an extra wrap from the rear windows to the tail = of 1 or=20 2 bids), and last I heard, it's *way* more than 9K work of upgrade costs = and=20 probably a significant lead time.
 
As an aside, you can get milled carbon, but I = suspect it's=20 wickedly expensive and I have no idea if it's as structural as = flox.  If=20 you are doing for weight reduction for as much flox as you'll use, I = doubt it's=20 significant.
 
Just curious.
Alan

From: Lancair Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Clark = Baker
Sent:=20 Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:06 PM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Carbon Fiber=20 Flox

I will soon be starting my all carbon Legacy RG kit.  = After=20 spending an extra $9k to have all the components made in carbon fiber = (the=20 standard Legacy RG kit has a material amount of e-glass),  I = started=20 wondering if there was a carbon fiber equivalent for the traditional = flox=20 (milled cotton).  There is a not insignificant amount of heavy flox = in our=20 aircraft.
 
Has anyone used a carbon fiber flox and have any comments, or know = of any=20 suppliers?
 
Regards,
Clark Baker
 
LNC2 360, 775hrs
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