X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:53:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.67] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with ESMTP id 2310318 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 07:25:16 -0400 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.67; envelope-from=mnewman@dragonnorth.com Received: from [70.91.142.49] (helo=PCmike2) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ISWWL-0007Ea-Dq; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 07:24:37 -0400 From: "Michael Newman" X-Original-To: "'Hamid Wasti'" , References: Subject: RE: [LML] Density Altitude Crash X-Original-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 07:25:07 -0400 Organization: Dragonnorth Group X-Original-Message-ID: <038b01c7eee6$41de1270$0401a8c0@sentira.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acfu2ssBUXZr7CDYQ9m0l11HPudjNgABiBKA X-ELNK-Trace: 4981850a937e3365551c28c27865cf0a239a348a220c260984f3a63b107225d1ad5f52def5f2a52a387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 70.91.142.49 Seems like there is a lot of noise in this thread with people not collecting easily available data before their comments are posted. Flaps up is the correct POH procedure for a short field takeoff in the later model Bonanzas. Ten degrees of flap was used in early models, but does not apply to the A36. Four adults, moderate bags and full fuel is a normal (within limits) load for an A36 Bonanza. This is a 6 passenger plane. Useful load by the book is 1560 pounds. Gross weight is 3600, typical empty weight slightly higher than the book 2040, more common is 2200. I looked up the airport 061 Cameron CA. It has a 4000 foot runway and is at 1287 feet. Google maps show long overruns which slope uphill. I looked in my Bonanza's POH. My plane is a V35A and is similar but not the same as the A36. The A36 has lower book numbers because they are computed at an additional 200 pounds of gross weight. Norm Colvin (Bonanza guru) says that with the same power and weights all Bonanzas will perform about the same. The A36 often has the bigger IO-550 engine improving things. Using the Beech tables and charts for my plane at 110 degrees F 3600 pounds and 2000 feet airport elevation I get a takeoff distance of 3500 feet to clear a 50 foot obstacle. In short given the conditions and load I would have no qualms about departing in a Bonanza from Cameron. My worst case numbers above show substantial margins.