Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #43771
From: Gary Casey <glcasey@adelphia.net>
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Subject: Re: ES engine mount cracks and breaks
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:21:52 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
I was concerned about the structural integrity of the standard Continental engine mount when I first saw mine.  My calculations showed that the CG of the engine/prop combination was approximately at the front mount location, so it holds the total weight of the engine.  Then the loading on the tubes turns out to be not down, like one might think, but outward in line with the axis of the mounts (the rubber mounts are designed to be soft laterally and still axially).  There is very little strength or stiffness in this "spreading" direction and fatigue loading in this direction could be expected to cause failure in exactly the spot shown in the photos.  The cure would be a tube connecting the two engine mount locations, absorbing the outward loading.  As for the failures of the tubes in the back, I'm not so sure.  The drag link imposes most compressive loads back there unless the nose gear moves laterally quite a bit, but Lon didn't report any significant shimmy issues.  I'm wondering if the engine didn't move around because of the cracks at the front, causing the fractures at the rear.  On my Lycoming mount I eliminated the "cage" of small-diameter tubes at the back and connected the engine mount locations and the drag link directly to the center firewall mount with "full size" tubes.  One reason I like the Lycoming mounting system is that the mounts are close to the firewall so that all connections between the engine and firewall can be direct and stiff.

Gary Casey
ES #157, Lyc IO-540

On Aug 25, 2007, at 2:44 PM, Lancair Mailing List wrote:

        Lancair Mailing List Digest #2080

 1) ES engine mount cracks and breaks
    by "Jim Nordin" <panelmaker@earthlink.net>

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From: "Jim Nordin" <panelmaker@earthlink.net>
Date: August 25, 2007 2:35:37 PM PDT
Subject: ES engine mount cracks and breaks


Here’s a note from Lon Kelley regarding his ES motor mount issues. I hope these pictures will encourage you all to examine closely … very closely … your motor mount. Personally I don’t see how there wasn’t a very serious accident because of this problem … Lon and Pam were just plain lucky.

Jim Nordin

 

From: PKkelle@aol.com [mailto:PKkelle@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:40 PM
To: panelmaker@earthlink.net
Subject: ES engine mount

 

Jim, here is some information on the recently discovered engine mount problems in my ES. The pictures are attached and show some major breaks and widespread cracking in the welds. It is my opinion that these cracks indicate improper welding procedures in my mount, and there may also be a problem in other early ES mounts. I have not got any professional opinion on the welds, and really don't intend to, but the cracks all appear to be in the heat-affected zone adjacent to the weld, and this is the area of concern in most high carbon material where embrittlement  might occur.

 

I believe these cracks have been there for a long time, and we missed them during inspections. My only excuse for this is that they wouldn't be visible under the paint. What led to my finding them was some very rough taxiing at Sun N Fun, Oshkosh and a rough grass strip this summer. At the last oil change I specifically wanted to look at the nose-gear mount, and feel very lucky that we took the bottom cowling off, and I stuck my nose down there and chipped some paint back. Of course the two broken members were pretty obvious if you were looking. My plane has 1225 hours and this mount was made in 1994.

 

Incidentally, we sent our strut back to Lancair in about 1999, and Vern rebuilt it. We have not experienced serious shimmy with it, and I don’t believe the weld cracks are associated with shimmy.  Lon Kelley




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