X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:40:02 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web33712.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.201.209] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.11) with SMTP id 2279361 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:33:17 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.201.209; envelope-from=flycassutts@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 86758 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2007 01:32:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=39uLlrh8JY/sW//D4reDhWBUQpRTitiqay5TjHurZwX9hKpIBkBjwfmQv1XrER747ECeSJH25MAbDB62tIV4AdjXIpBL0mHgOn5qbI4tWTWNUEvRRcD5RrvibRCsLnekq+DlYupNvnaOMYfKTzpKQvh/cRfD+/PV5FyuUo9ilpw=; X-YMail-OSG: 1CUIiZoVM1nSUkM5bIuicckrszCwsQOp5up7A7eMfMxS_vXirM0rpQrMaC8Xs7zimKDjF..tgROI961q7nT_HZ_4Hcb9SDgNXUWKv4SiPi615ePDFpE- Received: from [71.208.140.87] by web33712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:32:41 PDT X-Original-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:32:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Art Jensen Subject: Re: [LML] Re: high oil temps X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Original-Message-ID: <237010.78751.qm@web33712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, Thanks for the information. All of this was completely unknown to me. I have changed the oil cooler once with only a slight improvement and then just a couple of weeks ago the temps jumped 20 degrees on a day when the OAT was 71F. I think I have a problem and I am currently applying bandaid fixes. My warranty has expired so don't know if contientental will give me another cooler of if I will have to purchase another that might not work any better based on what you are telling me. Do you have any suggestions? I am not using my oil door either and my CHTs are 360 or less. Has TCM indicated any willingness to work with "N" owners with this problem? I will be going to the Lancair flyin in Texas. Will be leaving here on the 11th I believe. We have a room booked already. If you are going that way, I would like fly along side just to compare some numbers. Art --- MikeEasley@aol.com wrote: > The TCM #654580 "G" cooler will fit the "N". That > cooler has at least 6 TCM > part numbers and has been used for over 20 years on > many different engines > including the TSIO-550 which runs fairly cool oil > temperatures from what I > understand. I'm sure the reason all Continental > powered Lancairs have an oil > door is because the "G" cooler works too well. > > That's not true for many of the TCM #654585 "N" > coolers. My oil door is on > the shelf. I get 200-205 oil temps in cruise when > my CHT's are around > 340-360. Interestingly, my oil temp was right > around 180 for the first 35 hours > and then shot up 25 degrees. My guess is a small > internal leak developed that > caused some portion of the oil to bypass the cooling > fins. Some coolers leak > worse than others, some don't leak at all. > > This theory is based on several conversations with > an oil cooler engineer > who was reverse engineering the "N" cooler for PMA > approval. He said the way > the coolers are assembled left a lot to be desired > and their own design would > eliminate the potential weakness. > > I know of at least one ES guy who was running high > oil temps and got a > replacement cooler from TCM and is running at 180 > now. Another ES guy who bought > a Positech and is running at 180 now. Another ES > guy has gone through a > couple coolers with no improvement. TCM won't > change models of coolers on a > warranty, Ron G. is right, they would have to create > a whole new engine model to > do that, not going to happen. > > Mike Easley > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak > peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting