X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:52:38 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.37] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.11) with ESMTP id 2276393 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:02:00 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.158.62.37; envelope-from=cfi@instructor.net Received: by ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A190A8398D; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:00:13 +0000 (GMT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_1187715613327611" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: cfi@instructor.net X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Original-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:00:13 -0600 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: high oil temps Received: from [76.76.66.241] by ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com with http for cfi@instructor.net; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:00:13 -0600 X-Originating-Ip: 76.76.66.241 X-Originating-Server: ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Message-Id: <20070821170013.A190A8398D@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_1187715613327611 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I know of at least two Cirrus SR22's that have the same high oil temp problem in very hot climates. Yes, you could change the N cooler to the G. The only problem is that the warantee is void at that point, and you would have to change the engine data plate. Like I said, TCM has no plans to change because they feel anything under 240 is acceptable.=20=20 Yes, there seem to be some exceptions in this issue, and it seems that some of the IO550N's work ok (although I haven't seen it personally). As I recall, someone "de-burred" or did some modifying on the vernatherm and it worked much better, but I have no direct knowledge what it was. I've also noticed that the Legacy seems to have less problems, so the only explanation must be the cowling (and speed). Keep in mind that even though there are small leaks in the baffling, there may be many of them that add up to a huge amount of air pressure loss in the upper plenum area that adds to the problem. Also, the Legacy has a much better exhaust area design in the lower cowl. Most ES guys are installing mini Dolly Parton's to help. This is one major thing that should be done at the factory, and should have been done long ago. Modifying the lower cowl mold to match that of a Legacy would be a major improvement. I know of two ES's with LNC4 upper and lower cowls, and they have no cooling issues. Yes, they are slower though.=20 Ron Galbraith So would it be correct to say that since we are flying experimental airplanes and if the oil cooler from the "G" is interchangeable with the "N", that this would be a solution? My brothers Cirrus has the "N" and has no oil temp. problems and I know some Legacy owners with tighter cowls, smaller air inlets than the ES that have no cooling problems. How would you explain this? --_----------=_1187715613327611 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" I know of at least two Cirrus SR22's that have the same high oil temp probl= em in very hot climates.  Yes, you could change the N cooler to the G.=   The only problem is that the warantee is void at that point, and you= would have to change the engine data plate.  Like I said, TCM has no = plans to change  because they feel anything under 240 is acceptable.&n= bsp;  Yes, there seem to be some exceptions in this issue, and it seem= s that some of the IO550N's work ok (although I haven't seen it personally)= .  As I recall, someone "de-burred" or did some modifying on the verna= therm and it worked much better, but I have no direct knowledge what it was= .  I've also noticed that the Legacy seems to have less problems, so t= he only explanation must be the cowling (and speed).   Keep in mi= nd that even though there are small leaks in the baffling, there may be man= y of them that add up to a huge amount of air pressure loss in the upper pl= enum area that adds to the problem.  Also, the Legacy has a much bette= r exhaust area design in the lower cowl.  Most ES guys are installing = mini Dolly Parton's to help.  This is one major thing that should be d= one at the factory, and should have been done long ago.  Modifying the= lower cowl mold to match that of a Legacy would be a major improvement.&nb= sp; I know of two ES's with LNC4 upper and lower cowls, and they have no co= oling issues.  Yes, they are slower though. 

Ron Galbrait= h

So would it be correct to say that since we are flying
experimental airplanes and if the oil cooler from the
"G" is interchangeable with the "N", that this would
be a solution?

My brothers Cirrus has the "N" and has no oil temp.
problems and I know some Legacy owners with tighter
cowls, smaller air inlets than the ES that have no
cooling problems. How would you explain this?


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