X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:52:38 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.166] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.11) with ESMTP id 2276594 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:41:42 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.246.166; envelope-from=randystuart@hotmail.com Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.139.17]) by bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:41:06 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:41:05 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: Received: from 64.81.235.187 by BAY134-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:41:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [64.81.235.187] X-Originating-Email: [randystuart@hotmail.com] X-Sender: randystuart@hotmail.com From: "Randy" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: <002f01c7e41c$fe683d50$6401a8c0@RobSony> Subject: Re: LML X-Original-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:40:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F1_01C7E3E8.24BFB5D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2007 18:41:05.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4FBA0F0:01C7E422] X-Original-Return-Path: randystuart@hotmail.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F1_01C7E3E8.24BFB5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rob, I'm not here to bad mouth AFS. I did make a mistake about the screen = size, it was the 8.4" I liked, the 10" is some I was looking at from = MGL.=20 I've have used your support in a recent installation in a friends LNC2, = not perfect but good.=20 The problem is, and this has been my experience, at the Oshkosh show for = the last two years I talked to the people at your booth. And for the = last two years they have told me that everything the other systems are = doing AFS's WILL be doing. This included: GPS, maps, HITS, HSI, etc. I = was told at the 2006 Osh show it would be done by November 2006, now at = the 2007 Osh show I was told it's coming, that the programmers can only = work so fast.=20 As I said before, it's too bad you are so far behind the competition in = this price range. Dynons do what yours does for less then half the = price. If you get yours working as promised I believe it will be a = wonderful system.=20 Your systems look good and, what does work, works good. For two years I = was ready to hand the AFS guy my credit card but I'm so glad I didn't. I = have nothing against AFS but for the same money there's plenty of = WORKING systems out there.=20 For what it's worth. Randy Stuart LNC2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rob Hickman=20 To: randystuart@hotmail.com=20 Cc: marvkaye@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:59 AM Subject: LML Marv, =20 Could you please post this to the LML? =20 =20 Randy, =20 I am not sure where you have been getting your information or if you = have Advanced Flight Systems confused with another EFIS manufacturer. = We showed our first EFIS System 1 =BD years ago at Sun-n-Fun. When we = showed the EFIS system for the first time last year at Sun-n-Fun and = Oshkosh we did not have any plans for GPS, HITS, or mapping. It was an = EFIS, AOA, and Engine Monitor only, up to this point we had zero plans = to do a map and we actually showed it with a Garmin 396. Very late last = year we started development on a moving map option for the system. This = year at Sun-n-Fun we showed for the very first time our new moving map = that was still under development. By Oshkosh of this year we had = delivered over 150 EFIS systems and had around 10 beta test customers = flying the new moving map and our new version 5 software. We have since = released the new version 5 software, moving map software and delivered = many more systems. We have been deeply involved with = Honywell-Bendix/King on their new KFD 840 EFIS system and, in addition, = purchased a new 7,500 square-ft facility. We currently have 10 = employees and are interviewing for a production/purchasing manager and = electronics technicians. We have five full-time engineers; three of = them work on software full time. =20 =20 Currently our moving map has the following features: State lines, = public and private airports, airspaces, intersections, obstacles and = towers. We also have airport information including TPA, frequencies, = elevation, right or left traffic and airport remarks. The map also = supports Direct To, Nearest and will display data from a 430, 530, 480, = 396 and 496. We do not now, nor do we plan on having an internal GPS = receiver.=20 =20 We have the AF-3400 system that uses a 6.5" LCD and the AF-3500 system = that uses an 8.4" LCD. We do not have or have we ever promised a 10" = screen. =20 We are NOT currently working on HITS, we are working on terrain and XM = weather. =20 I don't understand the comment about Advanced Flight continually = making promises that go undelivered. The only complaint we hear, and = justly deserve, is that it has taken people longer than expected to get = their units. We have NEVER promised features that have gone = undelivered. I would challenge you to find anyone that has anything bad = to say about our support. There is nothing more important to us than = customer service. I live on a private airport (OR40) and have my cell = phone number on our company answering machine. If anyone ever has a = problem they are free to call anytime (I have helped customers on = Christmas morning) or fly in for assistance, and believe me.they do and = we are happy to do it.=20 =20 =20 =20 Rob Hickman President www.advanced-flight-systems.com (503) 263-0037 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00F1_01C7E3E8.24BFB5D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rob,
I'm not here to bad mouth = AFS. I did=20 make a mistake about the screen size, it was the 8.4" I liked, the 10" = is some I=20 was looking at from MGL.
I've have used your support = in a=20 recent installation in a friends LNC2, not perfect but good.=20
The problem is, and this has = been my=20 experience, at the Oshkosh show for the last two years I talked to the = people at=20 your booth. And for the last two years they have told me that everything = the=20 other systems are doing AFS's WILL be doing. This included: GPS, maps, = HITS,=20 HSI, etc. I was told at the 2006 Osh show it would be done by November = 2006, now=20 at the 2007 Osh show I was told it's coming, that the programmers can = only work=20 so fast.
As I said before, it's too = bad you are=20 so far behind the competition in this price range. Dynons do what yours = does for=20 less then half the price. If you get yours working as promised I believe = it will=20 be a wonderful system.
Your systems look good and, = what does=20 work, works good. For two years I was ready to hand the AFS guy my = credit card=20 but I'm so glad I didn't. I have nothing against AFS but for the same = money=20 there's plenty of WORKING systems out there.
For what it's=20 worth.
Randy = Stuart
LNC2
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rob Hickman
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 = 10:59=20 AM
Subject: LML

Marv,

 

Could you please post = this to the=20 LML?

 

 

Randy,

 

I am not sure where you = have been=20 getting your information or if you have Advanced Flight Systems = confused with=20 another EFIS manufacturer.  We showed our first EFIS System 1 =BD = years ago=20 at Sun-n-Fun.  When we showed the EFIS system for the first time = last=20 year at Sun-n-Fun and Oshkosh we did not have any plans = for GPS,=20 HITS, or mapping.  It was an EFIS, AOA, and Engine Monitor only, = up to=20 this point we had zero plans to do a map and we actually showed it = with a=20 Garmin 396.  Very late last year we started development on a = moving map=20 option for the system.  This year at Sun-n-Fun we showed for the = very=20 first time our new moving map that was still under development.  = By=20 Oshkosh of=20 this year we had delivered over 150 EFIS systems and had around 10 = beta test=20 customers flying the new moving map and our new version 5 = software.  We=20 have since released the new version 5 software, moving map software = and=20 delivered many more systems.  We have been deeply involved with=20 Honywell-Bendix/King on their new KFD 840 EFIS system and, in = addition,=20 purchased a new 7,500 square-ft facility.  We currently have 10 = employees=20 and are interviewing for a production/purchasing manager and = electronics=20 technicians.  We have five full-time engineers; three of them = work on=20 software full time.

 

 

Currently our moving map = has the=20 following features:  State lines, public and private airports, = airspaces,=20 intersections, obstacles and towers.  We also have airport = information=20 including TPA, frequencies, elevation, right or left traffic and = airport=20 remarks.  The map also supports Direct To, Nearest and will = display data=20 from a 430, 530, 480, 396 and 496.  We do not now, nor do we plan = on=20 having an internal GPS receiver.

 

We have the AF-3400 = system that=20 uses a 6.5=94 LCD and the AF-3500 system that uses an 8.4=94 LCD. We = do not have=20 or have we ever promised a 10=94 screen.

 

We are NOT currently = working on=20 HITS, we are working on terrain and XM = weather.

 

I don=92t understand the = comment=20 about Advanced Flight continually making promises that go = undelivered. =20 The only complaint we hear, and justly deserve, is that it has taken = people=20 longer than expected to get their units.  We have NEVER promised = features=20 that have gone undelivered.  I would challenge you to find anyone = that=20 has anything bad to say about our support. There is nothing more = important to=20 us than customer service.  I live on a private airport (OR40) and = have my=20 cell phone number on our company answering machine.  If anyone = ever has a=20 problem they are free to call anytime (I have helped customers on = Christmas=20 morning) or fly in for assistance, and believe me=85they do and we are = happy to=20 do it.

 

 

 

Rob=20 Hickman

President

www.advanced-flight-systems.com

(503)=20 263-0037

 

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