X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:13:24 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.65] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.11) with ESMTP id 2275981 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:29:27 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.65; envelope-from=panelmaker@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=QcKcD1UNcKHWoidHt4JAsdGq3Vh+H4vEXya9wd1ruSiqH8Aj2pEZwwwatLDt5E9x; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [98.196.16.146] (helo=DELL8300) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1INTmq-0001ky-RB; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:28:49 -0400 From: "Jim Nordin" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" , Subject: Shock Struts for 360 - Tim's Debongers X-Original-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:29:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C7E3CD.71379F60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfjrp/obGlBar3VQzqgUumRMGxWiQAOzmSQ In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: bdfc62829fd2a80cc8ad50643b1069f8239a348a220c2609c5a322cff898939ba9b94afb5b45c78e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 98.196.16.146 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C7E3CD.71379F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Gary, Tim and all, Surely Tim has some quality comments on the deflation issue. Tim's dealt with TK-5 'deflation' apparently and it would be good for him to chime in here. So Tim, please address these concerns with your experiences. Is the aircraft grounded if one of the TK-5's 'deflate'? If the answer has as one of its components "it depends", please elaborate. Personally I'd rather deal with a 'local' supplier than one in faraway lands . support/replacement parts on a timely basis etc., if all qualities are equal. Then the decision becomes a personal preference. My private email is panelmaker@earthlink.net for those who do not wish their opinions/experiences to be published worldwide. I'd like to hear user experiences, good and otherwise, with both the suppliers' products . Tim's and John's. I'll keep private those emails that come to my private address. Thank you in advance Tim. I can see many of your customers are very pleased with the product and I would like to be also. Jim From: Zavatson, Christopher J (US SSA) [mailto:Christopher.Zavatson@baesystems.com] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:27 PM To: Jim Nordin Subject: FW: [LML] Shock Struts for 360 Jim, For me the deflation issue made the difference. I have run across a few folks that have had deflated Ong struts. Even if a hard landing was blamed and the repair handled quickly, it could still leave you stranded out of town. I can't imagine it being safe to operate on a deflated strut. From the last report of a deflated strut, I was told the plane pulled hard to one side after touch down. Opposite brake was needed to keep it on the runway. I can't imagine folks saying anything negative about Tim's shocks on the LML since Tim obviously reads it and works for Lancair. Talk about burning bridges... just my opinion, Chris _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of N320G Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 11:49 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Shock Struts for 360 - Tim's Debongers Jim, I landed very hard at Elko, NV a couple of years ago. The wind was howling and the sand was blowing. I quickly tied the airplane down, put on the cover and left the airport. The next morning I preflighted and came home. I did not notice any problem with the struts. However as I pulled up in front of my hangar the left strut was deflated. I had no problem taking off or landing, but I cannot be positive when the strut decided to deflate. Tim was quick and reasonable with the rebuild. Gary LNC2 800 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Nordin So . I've heard nothing regarding whether or not the deflation of Tim's shocks causes the airplane to be "stuck" where ever it is. Is it true or do we have to consult Snopes? The prices are very close and I'm in the market too. So is it a deal killer that if Tim's deflates you're stuck on the ground until repaired? Any history of deflation of either? Any downside to Spry's? Since there are numerous folks ready to purchase, now's the time for a bottom line answer. Have all the folks looking to buy also considered Tim's? Why are you not buying Tim's Debongers? Jim ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C7E3CD.71379F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Chris, Gary, Tim and = all,

 

Surely Tim has some quality comments = on the deflation issue. Tim’s dealt with TK-5 ‘deflation’ = apparently and it would be good for him to chime in here. So Tim, please address = these concerns with your experiences. Is the aircraft grounded if one of the = TK-5’s ‘deflate’? If the answer has as one of its components = “it depends”, please elaborate.

 

Personally I’d rather deal = with a ‘local’ supplier than one in faraway lands … support/replacement parts on = a timely basis etc., if all qualities are equal. Then the decision becomes = a personal preference.

 

My private email is panelmaker@earthlink.net = for those who do not wish their opinions/experiences to be published worldwide. = I’d like to hear user experiences, good and otherwise, with both the = suppliers’ products … Tim’s and John’s. I’ll keep private = those emails that come to my private address.

 

Thank you in advance Tim. I can see = many of your customers are very pleased with the product and I would like to be = also.

Jim

 

 

 

 

From: = Zavatson, Christopher J (US SSA) [mailto:Christopher.Zavatson@baesystems.com]
Sent: Monday, August 20, = 2007 5:27 PM
To: Jim Nordin
Subject: FW: [LML] Shock = Struts for 360

 

Jim,

For me the deflation issue made the difference.  I have run across a few folks that have had deflated = Ong struts.  Even if a hard landing was blamed and the repair handled = quickly, it could still leave you stranded out of town.  I can't imagine it = being safe to operate on a deflated strut.  From the last report of a = deflated strut, I was told the plane pulled hard to one side after touch down.  Opposite brake was needed to keep it on the = runway.  I can't imagine folks saying anything negative about Tim's shocks on the = LML since Tim obviously reads it and works for Lancair.  Talk about = burning bridges...

just my opinion,

Chris

 

 

From: = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of N320G
Sent: Monday, August 20, = 2007 11:49 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Shock = Struts for 360 - Tim's Debongers

 

Jim, I landed very hard at Elko, NV a couple of years ago.  = The wind was howling and the sand was blowing.  I quickly tied the = airplane down, put on the cover and left the airport.  The next morning I preflighted and came home.  I did not notice any problem with the struts.  However as I pulled up in front of my hangar the left = strut was deflated.  I had no problem taking off or landing, but I cannot be positive when the strut decided to deflate.  Tim was quick and = reasonable with the rebuild.

Gary

LNC2 800 hours

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Nordin

So … I’ve heard nothing regarding whether or not the deflation of Tim’s shocks causes the airplane to be “stuck” where ever it is. Is it true or do we = have to consult Snopes?

The prices are very close and = I’m in the market too. So is it a deal killer that if Tim’s deflates you’re stuck on the ground until repaired? Any history of = deflation of either? Any downside to Spry’s? Since there are numerous folks = ready to purchase, now’s the time for a bottom line answer. Have all the = folks looking to buy also considered Tim’s? Why are you not buying = Tim’s Debongers?
Jim

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