Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #43407
From: Bill Wade <dhc1@gwi.net>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: lancair announcement?
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:56:49 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
  The early Velocities were capable of just that. During flight tests, one entered what was termed "Deep Stall"- upon stalling the canard it went into a vertical descent in an upright slightly nose-high position. The descent rate was slow- I no longer have the information but I believe it was between 3-500 FPM, and the attitude was very stable. Various power and control inputs were tried to no effect. The pilot even leaned out over the nose in an effort to push it down. It impacted a river and he received back injuries as I recall.
 
  One lesson from this which may apply to BRS use- restraints and cushioning may be inadequate for a vertical impact. I know of one instance where a Cirrus deployed the chute shortly after takeoff near Indianapolis. The plane dropped into a pond and the passengers were rescued but the pilot was knocked unconscious and drowned. The NTSB reported the injuries as "serious"- chute use is not without risk. The pilot lost control during cruise climb- would he have been competent to make an emergency landing? Would the passengers have been better off if he had tried? I don't know.
 
  I agree with Hamid that using the chute as a selling point may encourage pilots to buy an aircraft that is beyond their ability. In Lancair's case that may be a moot point. How many Lancair owners or builders have experience with the performance they are buying at the time of purchase? The IV-P will have roughly twice the speed and ceiling that I'm used to in the IO-550 Navion that I'm currently flying. That deserves respect and requires preparation. I plan to get some training at least once during the build time and again prior to testing, which will be done professionally.  -Bill Wade
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Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: lancair announcement?

So, what if, instead of "pointing down", you removed all forward speed and kept the aircraft pointed "flat"?  Assuming a stable no-yaw, no-bank, no-knot stall, (and no need for distance) would the descent rate be reduced because the aircraft is now a falling non-aerodynamic cross-shaped flat plate?  Compared with the "best glide" vertical speed? 
 
And could that descent be converted to Vs 1.3 for a contolled landing?
 
I suppose one would have to chuck all loose weight items (maybe even a co-pilot) into the tailcone to help keep a flat descent, and then haul them out again for elevator control on landing.
 
JHK
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