X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:02:26 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.12.136.171] (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.9) with ESMTP id 2074773 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 30 May 2007 11:21:43 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.136.171; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id q.cf0.10b62a3e (42809) for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 11:20:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:20:58 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Electrical Fire X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1180538458" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5365 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1180538458 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/30/2007 9:23:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, rtitsworth@mindspring.com writes: John's message has triggered a prior question I've had... What is the best type of on board fire extinguisher? My limited understanding is that Halon (and/or Halon substitutes) work by absorbing/consuming oxygen - which makes them effective at extinguishing fires. However, it seems perhaps that isn't something that I'd want to trigger when I'm still in the (sealed) cabin (since I need the O2 as well). Thoughts/comments??? Rick, This may not be appropriate for pressurized aircraft, but....... I carry a small halon extinguisher in the cockpit mounted on the longeron behind the passenger seat and easily reachable with my right hand. It sits right next to the carbon monoxide detector. Halon was chosen for two reasons: 1. I was familiar with its use in computer rooms as being not overly toxic to occupants and non damaging to electrical components. 2. There is no other method that could be used in a cockpit that is effective or safe - especially without wearing a smoke hood. 3. The air is rapidly changed in my unpressurized cockpit so there are no long term concerns if the fire is actually extinguished quickly. 4. The only cockpit fire I am worried about is electrical. These are easily managed by shutting off components and dousing any fire in progress - once. 5. I can't put an engine fire out with a cockpit extinguisher - Some risks are always present. Uh, OK, there were more than two reasons. Do not consider an ABC extinguisher. Don't have one in your hangar either. The penetrating residue is corrosive to aluminum and electrical components and cannot be completely cleaned up. You should have water (A) and a BC extinguisher available in your hangar since the chemical used in the ABC extinguisher is not used in the BC extinguisher. One of the advantages of demand pulse O2 systems (I.E. MH), especially O2 supplied thru a mask, is that they are not releasing extra O2 into the cockpit to assist the burn. In any event, read: _http://www.h3r.com/halon/ac2042c.htm_ (http://www.h3r.com/halon/ac2042c.htm) Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96 Aurora, IL (KARR) Darwinian culling phrase: Watch This! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1180538458 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/30/2007 9:23:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 rtitsworth@mindspring.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>John's=20 message has triggered a prior question I've had...  What is the=20 best
type of on board fire extinguisher?

My limited understandin= g is=20 that Halon (and/or Halon substitutes) work by
absorbing/consuming oxyge= n -=20 which makes them effective at extinguishing
fires.  However, it se= ems=20 perhaps that isn't something that I'd want to
trigger when I'm still in= the=20 (sealed) cabin (since I need the O2 as=20 well).

Thoughts/comments???
Rick,
 
This may not be appropriate for pressurized aircraft, but....... I carr= y a=20 small halon extinguisher in the cockpit mounted on the longeron behind the=20 passenger seat and easily reachable with my right hand.  It sits right=20= next=20 to the carbon monoxide detector.  Halon was chosen for two reasons:
 
1. I was familiar with its use in computer rooms as being not overly to= xic=20 to occupants and non damaging to electrical components.
2. There is no other method that could be used in a cockpit that i= s=20 effective or safe - especially without wearing a smoke hood.
3. The air is rapidly changed in my unpressurized cockpit so there are=20= no=20 long term concerns if the fire is actually extinguished quickly.
4. The only cockpit fire I am worried about is electrical.  These=20= are=20 easily managed by shutting off components and dousing any fire in progress -= =20 once.
5. I can't put an engine fire out with a cockpit extinguisher - Some ri= sks=20 are always present.
 
Uh, OK, there were more than two reasons.
 
Do not consider an ABC extinguisher.  Don't have one in your hanga= r=20 either.  The penetrating residue is corrosive to aluminum and=20 electrical components and cannot be completely cleaned up.  You should=20= have=20 water (A) and a BC extinguisher available in your hangar since the chemical=20= used=20 in the ABC extinguisher is not used in the BC extinguisher. 
 
One of the advantages of demand pulse O2 systems (I.E. MH), especi= ally=20 O2 supplied thru a mask, is that they are not releasing extra O2 into the=20 cockpit to assist the burn.
 
In any event, read:
 
http://www.h3r.com/halon/ac204= 2c.htm
 
Scott Krueger=20 AKA Grayhawk
Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96
Aurora, IL=20 (KARR)

Darwinian culling phrase: Watch=20 This!




See what's fr= ee at AOL.com.=
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