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Thanks for the clarification Walter, I couldn't tell you what those numbers represent as far as fuel load, I just did a couple searches on the net and found the max GTOW bomb load. This could be inflated as well as the source was "just another aviation site", however the two numbers came from the same site.. [I think]. Regardless, the point being that the B-17 was the larger a/c.. The scale of things would dictate in and of itself that the Mosquito couldn't lift what a B-17 could.

My understanding of the B-24 was that it was "precision bombing" in its day, once they got those Radar Bomb sights. I don't know to much about it really, just a comment or two I've read over the years.

At the end of it all, I'm just glad that what was done, was done.. I'm a free man today due to the willingness of others who stepped forward to maintain the freedom which we do know today. I don't think civilians such as myself will ever "know" what they went through to resolve what was a pretty bad situation.

Anyway, this has kinda digressed from the original thread :-)

Best

Jarrett

> On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:54 AM, H & J Johnson wrote:
>
> the B-17 was listed as capable of lifting
>
> 17,600lbs of bombs
>
>
>
>
> You may want to check on that number. Not with full fuel. My B-
> 17
> POH indicates that that's high. However if the Mosquito had a
> payload of 4000 (don't know anything about that one), that was
> still
> considerably less than the payload of the B-17G which is listed as
>
> 6000 pounds with full fuel. If they could leave fuel behind on a
> short mission, I think they could "lift" as much as 10,200 pounds--
> IF
> it fit on the bomb racks. <g> That's what I think you were
> referring
> to.
>
> Based on my B-24 POH, it carried more payload than either--they
> carried 8000 pounds on max range missions and as much as 12,000
> pounds on shorter ones. That was the load-hauler that stopped the
>
> German production--the press the B-17 got notwithstanding.
> Faster,
> longer, more payload. What you hear about the B-124 not being
> able
> to take punishment is not supported by the data. The B-17 and B-
> 24
> lost about the same PERCENTAGE of combat-mission aircraft. The
> fact
> that there were more than twice as many B-24s produced makes the
> raw
> numbers look bad.
>
> As a Luftwaffe FW-190 ACE told me, "I'd radder attack zee B-24s.
> Even though zere guns vere better placed to shoot me, they vere
> lower
> and vee didn't have to climb as high to get zem! Of course, once
> zee
> P-51s came, the zest was gone from attacking eizer one."
>
> Walter
>