X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 10 [X] Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 01:29:22 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.240] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.8) with ESMTP id 1965641 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:51:18 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.132.240; envelope-from=jffisher@gmail.com Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so33538anc for ; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:50:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HO/KuGHVswcrLM9wfT8xTivUiq2/a5qye4iIyKZZBoRMRBuY1Iyy6qQYaYTy3zTIQNjoPx87QmuXmRU61c/HxoRtqwUE5m1f84CDlGxK751LxpWAGGnOULm5qKEdyfOR3TmeHLa033xkYJC662l7gsS8QiXp+haviQB9bn+mI8E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FgnTbS5RL8ey099F43/e1Ks6bShk/h/ZhDqDcQWaEWecB/0EY4QUEL26NQiWr+cdrLsBTIdQbqzUpw2tGSySNQWUp0Y/eRWRQO1ERCVlANT02KmbYYSp5qa84b9fFUWKw8Qkr/T+OhuVFMIDX9oGQhU6uoCspv31/vKEtLvtf0M= Received: by 10.100.91.6 with SMTP id o6mr7313anb.1175647832197; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.124.8 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:50:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:50:27 -0500 From: "Jeremy Fisher" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: F8F vx P-51 (was: Thielert Diesel Centurion 4.0) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19371_721234.1175647827153" References: ------=_Part_19371_721234.1175647827153 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I know it has nothing to do with Lancairs, but to put things in context, the De Havilland Mosquito with two Merlins of the same type as the P-51 could easily go to 40,000 feet and one model is credited with a top speed of 437 mph. Oh, and it flew in 1940, and was a bomber that could carry more bombs than a B-17 and further. It also was a fighter, torpedo bomber, and recce aircraft. Finally it was arguably the first high speed composite airplane. I also read a pilot's report that said that you could easily do a slow roll after take off with one engine feathered, not that I would want to. So liquid cooled engines can work! Jerry Fisher On 4/3/07, Tom Gourley wrote: > > *The F-8F Bearcat was arguably the finest fighter ever built. It was > prop-driven. It was too late for WWII and became quickly outdated as the > jets came in. Those who have flown both the Bearcat and the Mustang have > been hard pressed to define the better bird to me, but most lean toward the > Bearcat. * > > *Bearcat Specifications: * > *Max Speed = 455 mph* > *Cruising Speed: 425 mph * > *Range: 1650 miles* > *Service Ceiling: 42,300 ft. * > *Span: 35 ft. 6 in. * > *Length: 27 ft. 6 in. * > *Height: 13 ft. 10 in.* > *Weight: 9, 300 lbs. Max * > > *Engine: Latest R-2800-E engine with a max rating of 2,500 hp.* > > Don't you just love all the different specifications you can find on the > web? Warbird Alley list the following for the P-51D with a 1695HP engine: > Top speed: 437 mph > Ceiling: 41,900 ft > Empty weight: 7,125 lbs > Max takeoff: 12,100 lbs > > While they show the Bearcat with a 2100HP engine at: > Top speed 421 mph > Ceiling 38,700 ft > Empty weight: 7,070 lbs > Max takeoff: 12,947 lbs > > Most other sites listed the Bearcat's top speed in the 421 to 428 mph > range, but that was at 2100HP. I did find one site that stated 455 mph but > it wasn't clear what HP rating was being used. Even at 455mph I wouldn't > say that the Bearcat was "quite a bit faster". So when comparing the two > planes I think "arguably" is the right word to use. Both have loyal fans > and both are awesome airplanes. I would have a permanent ear-to-ear grin > for the rest of my life if I could get some stick time in either one. > > Tom Gourley > > ------=_Part_19371_721234.1175647827153 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I know it has nothing to do with Lancairs, but to put things in context, the De Havilland Mosquito with two Merlins of the same type as the P-51 could easily go to 40,000 feet and one model is credited with a top speed of 437 mph.  Oh, and it flew in 1940, and was a bomber that could carry more bombs than a B-17 and further.  It also was a fighter, torpedo bomber, and recce aircraft.  Finally it was arguably the first high speed composite airplane.  I also read a pilot's report that said that you could easily do a slow roll after take off with one engine feathered, not that I would want to.  So liquid cooled engines can work!
 
Jerry Fisher

 
On 4/3/07, Tom Gourley <tom.gourley@verizon.net> wrote:
The F-8F Bearcat was arguably the finest fighter ever built.  It was prop-driven.  It was too late for WWII and became quickly outdated as the jets came in.  Those who have flown both the Bearcat and the Mustang have been hard pressed to define the better bird to me, but most lean toward the Bearcat.

Bearcat Specifications: 

Max Speed = 455 mph
Cruising Speed: 425 mph  
Range:  1650 miles
Service Ceiling: 42,300 ft.  
Span:  35 ft. 6 in. 
Length:  27 ft. 6 in.  
Height:  13 ft. 10 in.
Weight:  9, 300 lbs. Max  

Engine:    Latest R-2800-E engine with a max rating of 2,500 hp.

 
Don't you just love all the different specifications you can find on the web?  Warbird Alley list the following for the P-51D with a 1695HP engine:
Top speed: 437 mph
Ceiling: 41,900 ft
Empty weight: 7,125 lbs
Max takeoff: 12,100 lbs
 
While they show the Bearcat with a 2100HP engine at:
Top speed 421 mph
Ceiling 38,700 ft
Empty weight: 7,070 lbs
Max takeoff: 12,947 lbs
 
Most other sites listed the Bearcat's top speed in the 421 to 428 mph range, but that was at 2100HP.  I did find one site that stated 455 mph but it wasn't clear what HP rating was being used.  Even at 455mph I wouldn't say that the Bearcat was "quite a bit faster".  So when comparing the two planes I think "arguably" is the right word to use.  Both have loyal fans and both are awesome airplanes.  I would have a permanent ear-to-ear grin for the rest of my life if I could get some stick time in either one.
 
Tom Gourley
 

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