X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 18 [X] Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:51:39 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.8] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.7) with ESMTP id 1930913 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:39:43 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.8; envelope-from=JIMRHER@aol.com Received: from JIMRHER@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id q.d6b.1de5243 (14457) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:38:30 -0400 (EDT) From: JIMRHER@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:38:30 EDT Subject: [LML] Chelton Flight System Manual is a 10!!! X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1174333110" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5352 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1174333110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erik and Robert, Today Keith and I will do some training with both the 480, MX20, and CFS. Actually, it will take me all week, thick head, ya know. What I can say is the Autoload of freq. from the CFS is only possible to the SL30 not the 480. Why? When UPS designed the 480 they used the great radio from the SL30 but never finished developing the import side. Then along came Big "G" with lots of money and bought the division of UPS and set different priorities for the engineers, like get 430/530 waas approvals. I understand that this hasn't come up on the radar screen to get done since the number of 480's that could take to the CFS is very small. As for my use of the 480 with the CFS, I call up Freq. right on the 480, it is just as easy as with using the CFS. Secondly, I haven't needed cross full. I have all my normal Flight Plans in both systems and if I'm going to a new destination I put my departure and destination into the 480 so I always have my destination info displayed on the MX20 and 480. The 480 is so easy to add waypoint's to that FP or get nearest info/ etc. that it has not been an issue. When/if I call up an ILS on the 480, which displays on the round gauge you can also put the HSI on the CFS and watch the HITS in the CFS fly the airplane down the GPS derived ILS and see the Native ILS from the 480 also on the screen. The TruTrak couple is another subject Keith and I will spend time on. Jim Hergert L4P N6XE Erik, Don't want to sound like a "Dittohead" (perrish the thought) but I too have the Chelton with the GNS480 and it really bugs me to read that Chelton will autoload frequencies - except for the dummies who opted for the 480. I will order Keith's 480 manual and look forward to reading on the LML any suggestions on use. Robert M. Simon ES-P N301ES ____________________________________ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of asw20747@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 1:07 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Chelton Flight System Manual is a 10!!! Hi All: Just got Keith Thomassen's Chelton Flight System Manual in the mail and I would have to agree (and then some) with the other posts, this manual is FANTASTIC in both content and presentation. I fly an Airbus A-300-600 for FedEx with a Honeywell FMS/EFIS.... I wish we had something half as good as this presentation. My Legacy also has a GNS-480 and notice Keith has a manual for this... I ordered it immediately just based on what I saw with his Chelton manual. BTW.... is there anyone out there that is flying with the GNS-480 and Chelton that could provide any helpful hints as to how you use BOTH systems efficiently? As there is no cross-fill available from one to the other, do you program each with a flight plan or use one predominately and the other as a standby or ??? Thanks for any advice you can share... I'm new to both systems with a LOT to learn!! Regards, Erik Larson ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1174333110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Erik and Robert,
Today Keith and I will do some training with both= the=20 480, MX20, and CFS. Actually, it will take me all week, thick head, ya=20 know.
What I can say is the Autoload of freq. from the=20= CFS is=20 only possible to the SL30 not the 480. Why? When UPS designed the 480 they u= sed=20 the great radio from the SL30 but never finished developing the import side.= =20 Then along came Big "G" with lots of money and bought the division of UPS an= d=20 set different priorities for the engineers, like get 430/530 waas approvals.= I=20 understand that this hasn't come up on the radar screen to get done since th= e=20 number of 480's that could take to the CFS is very small.
 
As for my use of the 480 with the CFS, I call up=20= Freq.=20 right on the 480, it is just as easy as with using the CFS.
Secondly, I haven't needed cross full. I have all= my=20 normal Flight Plans in both systems and if I'm going to a new destination I=20= put=20 my departure and destination into the 480 so I always have my destinati= on=20 info displayed on the MX20 and 480. The 480 is so easy to add waypoint's to=20= that=20 FP or get nearest info/ etc. that it has not been an issue. When/if I call u= p an=20 ILS on the 480, which displays on the round gauge you can also put the HSI o= n=20 the CFS and watch the HITS in the CFS fly the airplane down the GPS derived=20= ILS=20 and see the Native ILS from the 480 also on the screen. The TruTrak couple i= s=20 another subject Keith and I will spend time on.
 
Jim Hergert
L4P N6XE
 
 
Erik,
 
Don't want to sound like a "Dittohead" (perrish the= =20 thought) but I too have the Chelton with the GNS480 and it really bugs me to= =20 read that Chelton will autoload frequencies - except for the dummies who opt= ed=20 for the 480.  I will order Keith's 480 manual and look forward to=20 reading on the LML any suggestions on use. 
 
Robert M. Simon
ES-P N301ES

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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 1:07=20 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Chelton Flig= ht=20 System Manual is a 10!!!



Hi All:

Just got Keith Thomassen's Chelton F= light=20 System Manual in the mail and I would have to agree (and then some) with the= =20 other posts, this manual is FANTASTIC in both content and presentation.
<= BR>I=20 fly an Airbus A-300-600 for FedEx w= ith a=20 Honeywell FMS/EFIS.... I wish we had something half as good as this=20 presentation.

My Legacy also has a GNS-480 and notice Keith has a manual for this... I ordered i= t=20 immediately just based on what I saw with his Chelton manual.

BTW.... is there anyone out there that= is=20 flying with the GNS-480 and Chelton that could provide any helpful hin= ts as to=20 how you use BOTH systems efficiently?  As there is no cross-fill availa= ble=20 from one to the other, do you program each with a flight plan or use one predominately and the other as a standby o= r=20 ???

Thanks for any advice you can share... I'm new to both systems wi= th a=20 LOT to learn!!

Regards,

Erik Larson


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