X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 80 [XXX] (50%) RECEIVED: Received headers not consistent with Yahoo! "FROM:" (50%) HEADERS: mail has X-MSPriority flag but missing "X-MimeOLE" header Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:07:50 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from global.delionsden.com ([66.150.29.112] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.7) with ESMTPS id 1928391 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:46:30 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.150.29.112; envelope-from=n103md@yahoo.com Received: from bmackey by global.delionsden.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HT7sT-0002Po-ND for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:45:41 -0500 Received: from 69.12.132.145 ([69.12.132.145]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user bmackey) by www.bmackey.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:45:41 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Message-ID: <8451.69.12.132.145.1174272341.squirrel@www.bmackey.com> X-Original-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:45:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Proud control surfaces From: "bob mackey" X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - global.delionsden.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32015 2012] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Darryl Bretag asks: > Could you please tell us more about the 0.040 proud leading edge > of the aileron ! > - reason The forward edge of the aileron is aft of the laminar-turbulent transition on the LNC2 (observed transition is about 2" ahead of the aileron hinge on my LNC2). Probably similar on the IV and other Lancairs also. This is in the "pressure recovery" portion of the airfoil. The flow is decelerating as it transitions from the lowest pressures near the thick part of the wing, to ambient pressure near the trailing edge. This "uphill" flow or "adverse pressure gradient" is an area where flow separation can be a problem. If the aileron surface were faired with the wing surface, the airflow would likely trip at the gap (or where the wind from the lower surface is blowing through the gap). So... to keep the flow attached at this junction, the aileron can be made slightly thicker than the wing, creating a small area where the flow is accelerated. The more favorable pressure gradient at the step helps keep the flow attached. > - extra drag Nope, the proud surface offers a drag reduction relative to the faired aileron-wing junction. > - speed restrictions Not that I know of. > - wind tunnel tests results. I don't know of a Lancair in a wind tunnel, but this idea has been thoroughly tested. It has been the standard design practice since about the end of WW2. Frequently people try to improve kitplanes by fairing the gap and end up making their planes slower and more prone to tip stall when moving the ailerons. > - any thing else about this concept we should know about It applies to all hinged control surfaces. The rudder, elevator, ailerons, flaps, and trim tabs should all be slightly proud of the surface upstream. As Paul Lipps mentioned recently, the idea also applies to the spinner-cowl gap as well. How high the trailing surface should be depends on the boundary layer thickness, airspeed, local pressure gradient, etc... 0.040" would be pretty typical for a Lancair wing. > Thanking you in advance for your expertise You're quite welcome. It's good to know the money my folks spent sending me to a fancy college wasn't entirely wasted :-) Though I did get there a little too late to actually take any classes from Theodore von Karman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_von_K%C3%A1rm%C3%A1n -bob mackey