X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 64 [XX] (100%) SPAMTRICK: obfuscated phone number Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:58:10 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net ([166.102.165.167] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.7) with ESMTP id 1924624 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:11:03 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=166.102.165.167; envelope-from=rbalister@alltel.net Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([71.31.86.189]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070316151004.XLVD5292.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:10:04 -0500 Received: from rayb ([71.31.86.189]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070316151002.ROMW6240.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@rayb> for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:10:02 -0500 From: "Raymond Balister" X-Original-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: EPIRB vs. ELT X-Original-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:10:04 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <02b701c767dd$2dbc0a80$04fea8c0@rayb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02B8_01C767BB.A6AF2570" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02B8_01C767BB.A6AF2570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You may want to check into the legality of using a marine EPIRB in an aircraft. Contact your local FSDO to determine if it satisfies the requirements of 91.207. When you buy an EPIRB there's a registration = card that you need to fill out and return that indicated the owner, contact information and the type of vessel in which the unit is being installed. = If the unit is for marine use, aircraft will not be one of the choices. If = you want something to supplement the ELT you may want to check into a PLB (Personal Locator Beacon). These are typically sold at outdoors and sporting goods shops. These are intended for hikers and other outdoors = type activities. Get one of these and put it in your flight bag or first aid = kit just in case. Activating one of these will trigger a similar scenario = as an ELT. =20 If you do get a unit that transmits on 406MHz, make sure it also = broadcasts on 121.5 or 243. If you don't, the SAR resource that will most likely = come to your aid, CAP (Civil Air Patrol), will be unable to home in on your signal. Their airborne and ground equipment is only capable of = receiving on 121.5 or 243. They will have to rely on the lat/lon that was received = from the EPIRB when it was activated (it does have an internal GPS doesn't = it?) as a starting point for the search patterns. If you activate it in the = air, they may be searching in the wrong place, especially if you travel any appreciable distance before you contact the ground. On the ground in a heavily wooded area, it's quite easy to miss a downed aircraft even from = 100 feet away. =20 To get an idea of what's happening on the receiving end of the signal, = see the links below. =20 http://level2.cap.gov/documents/u_081503135122.pdf http://www.cap.gov/visitors/members/operations/operations_training/aircre= w_f lightline/ =20 Especially the aircrew training slides and reference text. For actual crash site pictures, see the mission scanner = presentation, slides 193-224. http://www.cap.gov/visitors/members/operations/operations_training/index.= cfm ?nodeID=3D5308 How the ground teams prepare and what they're doing to find you. =20 Another suggestion would be to contact your nearest CAP squadron. Ask = them about what to do in case of an unplanned off-airport landing (AKA: = crash) so as to increase the likelihood of surviving and being found. =20 Raymond Balister L-ES -----Original Message----- From: marv@lancair.net [mailto:marv@lancair.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:21 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: EPIRB vs. ELT =20 Posted for "terrence o'neill" : Matt,=20 While lurking I read your comments on EPIRBs. I have to find something = this=20 month to wire into N211AL with the EFIS and GPS etc. Reluctant to buy = the=20 old ELT tech that will soon be obsolete. The new 406 MHz stuff is still=20 coming down in price ... what about a personal or maritime beacon plus = an ELT=20 in the meantime? The 406 prices should be lower at OSH... Pros and cons? = Something basis but with GPS? Terrence O'Neill L235/320 ------=_NextPart_000_02B8_01C767BB.A6AF2570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You may want to check into the = legality of using a marine EPIRB in an aircraft.  Contact your local FSDO to = determine if it satisfies the requirements of 91.207.  When you buy an EPIRB = there’s a registration card that you need to fill out and return that indicated = the owner, contact information and the type of vessel in which the unit is = being installed.  If the unit is for marine use, aircraft will not be one = of the choices.  If you want something to supplement the ELT you may want = to check into a PLB (Personal Locator Beacon).  These are typically = sold at outdoors and sporting goods shops.  These are intended for hikers = and other outdoors type activities.  Get one of these and put it in = your flight bag or first aid kit just in case.  Activating one of these = will trigger a similar scenario as an ELT.

 

If you do get a unit that transmits = on 406MHz, make sure it also broadcasts on 121.5 or 243.  If you = don’t, the SAR resource that will most likely come to your aid, CAP (Civil Air Patrol), will be unable to home in on your signal.  Their airborne = and ground equipment is only capable of receiving on 121.5 or 243.  = They will have to rely on the lat/lon that was received from the EPIRB when it was activated (it does have an internal GPS doesn’t it?) as a starting = point for the search patterns.  If you activate it in the air, they may = be searching in the wrong place, especially if you travel any appreciable = distance before you contact the ground.  On the ground in a heavily wooded = area, it’s quite easy to miss a downed aircraft even from 100 feet = away.

 

To get an idea of what’s = happening on the receiving end of the signal, see the links = below.

 

http://level2= .cap.gov/documents/u_081503135122.pdf

http://www.cap.gov/visitors/members/operations/ope= rations_training/aircrew_flightline/   

    Especially the = aircrew training slides and reference text.

    For actual crash = site pictures, see the mission scanner presentation, slides = 193-224.

http://www.cap.gov/visitors/members/operations= /operations_training/index.cfm?nodeID=3D5308

    How the ground = teams prepare and what they’re doing to find you.

 

Another suggestion would be to = contact your nearest CAP squadron.  Ask them about what to do in case of an unplanned off-airport landing (AKA: crash) so as to increase the = likelihood of surviving and being found.

 

Raymond Balister

L-ES

-----Original = Message-----
From: marv@lancair.net [mailto:marv@lancair.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:21 = AM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: = EPIRB vs. ELT

 

Posted for "terrence o'neill" <troneill@charter.net>:

Matt,

While lurking I read your comments on EPIRBs. I have to find something = this
month to wire into N211AL with the EFIS and GPS etc. Reluctant to buy = the
old ELT tech that will soon be obsolete. The new 406 MHz stuff is still =
coming down in price ... what about a personal or maritime beacon plus = an ELT
in the meantime? The 406 prices should be lower at OSH... Pros and cons?
Something basis but with GPS?

Terrence O'Neill
L235/320

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