Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.2) with ESMTP id 1021717 for rob@logan.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:54:00 -0500 Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ([167.206.5.31]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:23:22 -0500 Received: from optonline.net (ool-18ba4b27.dyn.optonline.net [24.186.75.39]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GPP009TGAP3BW@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for lancair.list@olsusa.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:24:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:18:47 -0500 From: Adam Molny Subject: Re: Aerosance's FADEC To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Message-id: <3C3CFA07.DC2A0A43@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20020109074558.AAA26668@pop3.olsusa.com> X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > From: Rob Logan > To: lancair.list@olsusa.com > Subject: Aerosance's FADEC > Message-ID: <3C3A28FA.304A98F@Logan.com> > > as a FADEC depositor I hafta speak up but yes, I'm bias too. < SNIP > > 4) software upgradable to 92UL or whatever when blue stuff is > unavailable. (software is more adjustable than fixed mags :-) > This is an important point if you wanta fly your plane 5 years > from now. I would want them to work on the 92UL software > anyway, as 92UL is still a moving target. > I am very excited about this FADEC stuff, and would like to keep stirring the pot to air as much information about the system as possible. I just decided on the IO-550 engine this week (rather than the IO-540), even though I have been working on my Legacy for six months now! I was finally forced into a decision bcecause Lancair is getting ready to ship my motor mount and cowl. The fact that the software is upgradeable opens up all kinds of possibilities. As has been previously stated, the mixture settings for LOP below 2300rpm and ROP above 2300 is a conservative design decision made by Aerosance. I attended a seminar on Lycoming's EPIC fuel injection at OSH this year. They actually set the mixture for LOP once the computer has decided you are in cruise mode. Cruise mode is entered when the MAP and RPMs have stabilized, and you haven't change the throttle setting for 60 seconds. Additionally, they have a two-position switch on the panel for economy and power modes of operation (the computer overrides the switch when necessary to keep you from hurting the engine). Could some of these concepts be incorporated into the Aerosance system? As a software engineer who works on embedded computer systems, I would imagine that almost every aspect of this system's behavior could be altered by simply modifying the software. Are these units field upgradeable? Most modern computerized systems (like the Garmin 530) can be hooked up to a serial cable and a new program flashed into non-volatile memory to fix software bugs or add features. This is actually a benefit for the manufacturer since authorized dealers can do the work without sending the units back to the factory. My wish would be for Aerosance to offer many different mixture mapping programs, where you could pick and choose you performance features. Crossing the Atlantic? Download the long range economy cruise program, and run LOP at low rpms all the way. Flying from New York to Oregon for the Lancair labor day fly-in? Download the high speed cruise program for the cross-country trip, then install the Reno race settings upon arrival. Finally, my question: What is Aerosance's position on all of this? Some of you who have dealt with them may have a feeling for their willingness to support the experimental community. Understandably, they are concentrating on the certified market first, but once that is done, would they be willing to make changes? As the sytem becomes more mature, will they tweak the mixture settings to improve fuel consumption at higher power settings? Thanks for listening, Adam Molny Ronkonkoma, NY Legacy kit #151 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>